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« on: September 01, 2018, 06:05:04 PM »

Coös County, New Hampshire, has shown a strange voting behavior. It seems to be very elastic, having voted for Jeanne Shaheen 62:38, while having voted for Maggie Hassan by only 0.14%, whereas Hillary lost that county by 8% the same year.
In the 2008 Democratic primary it was Hillary's best county in NH, whereas eight years later ti went to Sanders by 28%.
But also on the GOP side it's voting behavior is quite interesting; it went two McCain twice, then to Ron Paul and then to Trump.

How would you characterize the people of Coös County? Are they liberal or more conservative. Why do the love Trump and Paul so much?

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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2018, 10:24:23 PM »

Coös County, New Hampshire, has shown a strange voting behavior. It seems to be very elastic, having voted for Jeanne Shaheen 62:38, while having voted for Maggie Hassan by only 0.14%, whereas Hillary lost that county by 8% the same year.
In the 2008 Democratic primary it was Hillary's best county in NH, whereas eight years later ti went to Sanders by 28%.
But also on the GOP side it's voting behavior is quite interesting; it went two McCain twice, then to Ron Paul and then to Trump.

How would you characterize the people of Coös County? Are they liberal or more conservative. Why do the love Trump and Paul so much?

Maybe there is something in the water.
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2018, 03:07:03 AM »

From what I hear, both the Coos and Coös spellings coëxist, so I imagine it's a fairly tolerant place.
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2018, 05:23:38 AM »

From what I hear, both the Coos and Coös spellings coëxist, so I imagine it's a fairly tolerant place.

The second spelling actually makes more sense, as it indicates two vowels (as contrasted with a diphthong), and you therefore know at first view how to pronounce it.
There is also a Coos County in Oregon, whose name contains a diphthong and therefore no diëresis; it is pronounced like [kuːs], but you can't tell that without further knowing.

But I like your idea of simply putting two dots above a county's name so that it may become more liberal. Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2018, 11:53:14 AM »

Coos County, NH is the poorest County in NH with an MHI of $ 40.3k /Yr, 16.1% of the Population living in poverty, and the largest % of the population on Food Stamps, and the lowest % of employment of working-aged Males in the State (64.7%)

Of the single poorest County by State, it had the largest swing towards the Republican Presidential candidate between 2012 > 2016, with a whopping +27% R swing.

Here's a link to a thread that I started on how the poorest Counties in each state voted between '12 . '16

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=267947.msg5743056#msg5743056

One thing that obviously stands out here is the extremely large French / French-Canadian population (40% by Ancestry) and much lower proportions of English and Irish by Ancestry.

In general, poverty in the three Northern States of New England (VT,NH, and ME) were most pronounced within those counties and communities with high numbers of French / French-Canadians, as well as massive swings towards Trump in '16.

If we look at the age of the residents, we see approximately 22% of the entire population in Coos County was 65+, and 39% 55+, which makes it significantly older than most other Counties in NH.

The largest Industries are Health Care, Retail, and Hospitality, which combined account for 42% of the work-force, and with the exception of the former, tend to skew towards relatively low paid service sector jobs.

The educational profile of the County of those 25+/Yrs (28.3% Degree > HS Diploma, 59.6% HS Diploma, 12.1% No HS diploma) place it as having a much lower educational attainment rate than NH at large.

The economic challenges to the "North Country" part of NH are steep, as the once influential pulp and paper industries have collapsed in recent years leaving behind a much smaller pool of decent paying jobs.



https://stateimpact.npr.org/new-hampshire/tag/north-country/

https://www.berlinnh.gov/sites/berlinnh/files/uploads/economic_development.pdf

Given the city’s long relationship with the wood and paper
processing industry, the closure of the Fraser Pulp Mill in Berlin and the subsequent
ripple through other sectors largely contributed to a loss of 1,120 private sector jobs,
including 970 goods producing and 150 service-related jobs, over ten years.


http://www.gorhamnh.org/Pages/GorhamNH_Selectmen/Chapters/8.pdf

So, to go back to your original question(s):

How would you characterize the people of Coös County? Are they liberal or more conservative. Why do the love Trump and Paul so much?

1.) I would characterize the people of Coos County as economically liberal, but protectionist at the same time. Socially a bit more conservative than NH as a whole (High Catholic population), fairly rural / small-town dominated, with significant outdoors activity tied to hunting and fishing, foreign policy fairly isolationist / non-interventionist.

2.) Trump's popularity has less to do with his character I suspect, and more to do with the fundamental economic conditions of the County, and his promises to crack down on unfair foreign trade competition. The themes and frequent references to the paper and pulp industry and Canadian competition strongly resonate in these types of communities, as they do in many communities in Oregon that have also seen a significant loss of jobs directly as a result of competition from Canada (Saw Mill jobs lost from significant growth in Canadian processed timber importation) and (pulp mill jobs lost from exportation and re-importation of paper products produced in China from raw logs exported out from Oregon).

Much of the reason for this was the Great Recession, which changed global trade patterns within the pulp/paper and processed timber sector, to the significant detriment of places like Coos County, NH.

I strongly suspect that Trump will fail to deliver on his promises to the Mill Workers in these communities, and we will likely see a correction back to support for the Democratic Party possibly in 2020, and if not then almost certainly in 2024.





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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2018, 09:19:05 PM »


Ugh, that's a very lengthy disquisition.
So basically you're saying, it is such a populist county due to its poorness and their remoteness that its inhabitants want to express their anti-mainstream attitude by giving their vote to "alternative" candidates?
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2018, 11:05:38 PM »


Ugh, that's a very lengthy disquisition.
So basically you're saying, it is such a populist county due to its poorness and their remoteness that its inhabitants want to express their anti-mainstream attitude by giving their vote to "alternative" candidates?

Not exactly what I was saying at all, but still you're getting closer to where I was going with this:

1.) We have communities like this across the United States of America

2.) Systematic poverty is partially a result of massive economic dislocation caused as a direct result of the "Great Recession" in recent years, and even previously as a "peripheral" part of the US economic structure for decades under various political Administrations in both DC and within NH.

3.) The alienation that many locals feel is exacerbated by decades of systematic discrimination against French / French-Canadians in both New England and within Canada as well, partially as a result of religious affiliation, but more broadly as a result of WASP dominance of the political and economic structure of the region.

It's a complicated history in Canada, let alone a much less studied history in heavily French / French-Canadian regions of Northern New England.

https://www.amazon.com/Prelude-Quebecs-Quiet-Revolution-Neo-Nationalism/dp/0773504249

4.) The collapse of the Pulp and Paper industry in places such as Northern Maine (CD-02) and Coos County, NH created a massive need for solutions to deal with what was essentially a complete destruction of the largest traditional economic base of the region.

When the Frasier Mill closed down, it completely devastated an entire small rural community (Coos County), and most of the job losses were directly attributed to unfair trade competition from Canada.

5.) Trump rolls in and suddenly plays on the job losses in pulp and paper mills, as well as Timber imports from Canada, to appeal to workers in the Industry in Northern New England, Northern Midwest, and the Pacific Northwest....

6.) Where was HRC on this topic?Huh

Essentially the Dem PRES nominee in '16 ceded ground to the Trumpistas on the "Trade War" topics in peripheral communities destroyed by decades of Neo-Liberal economics going back to Reagan > Bush Sr > Bill Clinton > Bush Jr > Obama (Huh) and now.....Huh?
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