S-18.3-14: Amendment to the Chamber Rules (Withdrawn)

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

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sponsor: Jbrase

[CatoMinor]

Apparantly bribery to get this moved up quicker doesn't work as well as it used to.

Anywho I feel these are needed changes to makenitneasoernto keep track of things and keep up activity.

[Filinovich]

In section 3 subsection 2, the word "appropriately" is spelled incorrectly. In subsection 3, the word "bills" should be plural not possessive. In subsection 4 there is an extra space between "override" and "it"

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Additionally, would this bill require that all debates for different bills be conducted in the same thread? That honestly seems like a nightmare to deal with and work out who is talking to whom about what. I don't see issue with the current system of separate threads for separate bills.

I support the addition of a Whip, but I believe it would be better for the Speaker to appoint such a role.

I have no other issues with this bill.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Would the Whip be expected to pressure members to vote the same way as the speaker does, or would they merely get people to show up, even if they opposed the position of the speaker?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Would the Whip be expected to pressure members to vote the same way as the speaker does, or would they merely get people to show up, even if they opposed the position of the speaker?

I would hope the latter.

[CatoMinor]

When we first got a regional legislature in 2010 we kept everything in one thread, if I recall correctly. And things went well. My vision here is us being able to focus on one thing, act on it, and move on. Things went get buried behind tons of other threads.

[tmthforu94]

It seems we have two competing amendments on the floor at the same time - Thumb's increases number of bills discussed at once to 10, this one reduces it to 1. Is that a correct assessment?

[Filinovich]

It seems we have two competing amendments on the floor at the same time - Thumb's increases number of bills discussed at once to 10, this one reduces it to 1. Is that a correct assessment?

It appears so.

[thumb21]

I can't support this as it would significantly slow down the chamber's work. You could say that there would be an incentive to move faster on each individual bill if you go one at a time however I doubt that it would really have much of an impact, even with the whip.

[CatoMinor]

My thought is essentially, do one thing, do it well, and then move on. I just envision a ton of balls being dropped if we juggle as much as 10 at a time.

I mean the purpose of the Legislature is not to crank out laws at lightning speed.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I can't support this as it would significantly slow down the chamber's work. You could say that there would be an incentive to move faster on each individual bill if you go one at a time however I doubt that it would really have much of an impact, even with the whip.

[thumb21]

My thought is essentially, do one thing, do it well, and then move on. I just envision a ton of balls being dropped if we juggle as much as 10 at a time.

I mean the purpose of the Legislature is not to crank out laws at lightning speed.

I understand but in practice would it actually improve the quality of legislation or would it just make things extremely slow, leading to a massive backlog?

Seems to me that any improvement in the quality of legislation would be tiny compared to the massive backlog and painfully slow working that the chamber would have.

Its not like we don't already have a lot of debate, amendments put forth ect. with the current system. It may actually have the opposite effect, in that legislators may ram through low quality legislation so they can move on to something that interests them more.

[CatoMinor]

If no one else supports this, I am willing to withdraw  it.

[Filinovich]

bump

[CatoMinor]

Fine. Bitterly and sadly, I withdraw this proposed amendment.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

this is off the floor.