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Question: Who will make it into the second round? (2 votes)
#1Petro Poroshenko (BPP)  
#2Yulia Tymoshenko (BA)  
#3Anatoliy Hrytsenko (GP)  
#4Yuri Boyko (OB)  
#5Vladimir Zelenski (SN)  
#6Svyatoslav Vakarchuk (IND)  
#7Oleg Lyashko (RP)  
#8Vadim Rabynovych (ZZ)  
#9Andrii Sadovyi (SP)  
#10Evgeny Murayev (IND)  
#11Other (please specify)  
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« Reply #100 on: April 02, 2019, 11:31:26 am »

Is there a reason why places like Donetsk still votes for pro-russian candidates? If you add the two pro-russian candidates with 10-30% of Zelensky support who can be broadly either pro-russia or pro-peace talks. They make up 50%+ when the areas were affected by war.

Those are pro-Russian regions. It was Yanukovich's electoral fortress. Also, some Russian TV and Radio channels still work there.
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« Reply #101 on: April 02, 2019, 11:36:18 am »

My prediction for the runoff:

63.4% Zelensky
36.6% Poroshenko (Inc.)
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« Reply #102 on: April 02, 2019, 01:23:54 pm »

Is there a reason why places like Donetsk still votes for pro-russian candidates? If you add the two pro-russian candidates with 10-30% of Zelensky support who can be broadly either pro-russia or pro-peace talks. They make up 50%+ when the areas were affected by war.

Those are pro-Russian regions. It was Yanukovich's electoral fortress. Also, some Russian TV and Radio channels still work there.


I know but theres area that was a battle site years ago. Perhaps people are just reacting to high unemployment and want a peace settlement even if they know Russia wouldn't honor it.

Sloviansk for example was devastated but 52.2% of the vote there went to Boiko and Vikul combined.
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« Reply #103 on: April 02, 2019, 03:46:39 pm »

Rumours about pro-Poroshenko falsifications at several precincts in Donetsk region.

Is there a reason why places like Donetsk still votes for pro-russian candidates? If you add the two pro-russian candidates with 10-30% of Zelensky support who can be broadly either pro-russia or pro-peace talks. They make up 50%+ when the areas were affected by war.

Those are pro-Russian regions. It was Yanukovich's electoral fortress. Also, some Russian TV and Radio channels still work there.


I know but theres area that was a battle site years ago. Perhaps people are just reacting to high unemployment and want a peace settlement even if they know Russia wouldn't honor it.

Sloviansk for example was devastated but 52.2% of the vote there went to Boiko and Vikul combined.


Those people think that it's Kiev government who has started the war, probably. Government ethnonationalism isn't helping either. And terrible economical situation in Donetsk-Luhansk regions
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« Reply #104 on: April 02, 2019, 04:53:50 pm »

Is there a reason why places like Donetsk still votes for pro-russian candidates? If you add the two pro-russian candidates with 10-30% of Zelensky support who can be broadly either pro-russia or pro-peace talks. They make up 50%+ when the areas were affected by war.
Because those places are pro-russian...
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« Reply #105 on: April 03, 2019, 01:37:43 am »

Is there a reason why places like Donetsk still votes for pro-russian candidates? If you add the two pro-russian candidates with 10-30% of Zelensky support who can be broadly either pro-russia or pro-peace talks. They make up 50%+ when the areas were affected by war.
Because those places are pro-russian...

It seems - some people simpy can't understand, how one can be pro-Russia at all. Simply. No one will call me Putin's fan, but there is more stability in Russia now, then in the Ukraine. And many people want stability most of all. It's another question of what Russia will be after Putin, and what happens there, but - these are not a present day issues (yet). In Ukraine similar questins are very much present. In addition - no country can ignore "big neighbour": Canada and Mexico - US, Vietnam - China, and so on. For Ukraine the "big neighbour" is Russia. Nearby geographically, a lot of economic connections from the past (i have a friend in Kharkov, who still remembers fondly time, when Kharkov was a scientific and industrial center of the whole region, which included some areas of North-East Ukraine and some - of Russia (Belgorod, which is nearby in Russia, served as agricultural center of this area, BTW). And now it's even difficult to travel from Kharkov to Belgorod)), family connections, close languages (though i almost never heard Ukranian spoken in Kharkov), and many other reasons....
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« Reply #106 on: April 03, 2019, 03:24:14 pm »
« Edited: April 03, 2019, 03:45:27 pm by Russian Bear »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-election-gas/ukrainian-government-bans-gas-price-hikes-before-vote-idUSKCN1RF16M
Ukrainian government bans gas price hikes before vote
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The Ukrainian government has banned state-run gas producer Naftogaz from raising consumer gas prices, Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman said on Wednesday, a move likely to please voters but disturb the country’s creditors.




Also, Ze calling out Poroshenko to have a debate in a trollish teaser/ad. Poroshenko is toast.

https://www.facebook.com/zelenskiy95/videos/2220411848209179/ (in ukranian).
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« Reply #107 on: April 04, 2019, 06:59:07 am »

Map by districts. Brown district in Donetsk region - place where falsifications were, about 50 000 non-existent votes for Poroshenko were added (not only in this district, in sum through Donetsk region).
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« Reply #108 on: April 04, 2019, 07:43:55 am »
« Edited: April 04, 2019, 07:47:51 am by Russian Bear »

According to exit poll for 112/NewsOne by SORA.

Who you are going to vote for if it in the second round will be Ze vs Po
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Ze 49.4%
Po 19.8%
Unsure 19.2%
Wouldn't vote 11.6%

The second image shows the voter flows and, by some reason, slightly different results (Po at 22.3% by instance).


https://smc.org.ua/news/drugyj-tur-startovi-pozytsiyi-kandydativ-chastyna-1-regionalnyj-rozpodil/
https://smc.org.ua/news/drugyj-tur-startovi-pozytsiyi-kandydativ-chastyna-2-teritorialno-poselenska-struktura/
https://smc.org.ua/news/drugyj-tur-startovi-pozytsiyi-kandydativ-chastyna-3-peretoky-goglosiv/
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« Reply #109 on: April 04, 2019, 07:48:24 am »

Map by districts. Brown district in Donetsk region - place where falsifications were, about 50 000 non-existent votes for Poroshenko were added (not only in this district, in sum through Donetsk region).
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The border between Donetsk/Luhansk regions and the rest of Ukraine seems to be very sharp...
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« Reply #110 on: April 04, 2019, 08:24:54 am »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-04/ukrainian-leader-agrees-to-debate-comic-in-stadium-before-runoff
Ukrainian Leader Agrees to Debate Comic in Stadium Before Runoff
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« Reply #111 on: April 04, 2019, 08:37:42 am »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-04/ukrainian-leader-agrees-to-debate-comic-in-stadium-before-runoff
Ukrainian Leader Agrees to Debate Comic in Stadium Before Runoff


Excellent! Does anyone with better Ukrainian language skill than me know if this will be broadcast anywhere with Russian or English translation?
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« Reply #112 on: April 04, 2019, 10:04:35 am »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-04/ukrainian-leader-agrees-to-debate-comic-in-stadium-before-runoff
Ukrainian Leader Agrees to Debate Comic in Stadium Before Runoff


"ukrainian leader", "comic rival", well we know for who bloomberg cheering...
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« Reply #113 on: April 04, 2019, 10:32:32 am »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-04/ukrainian-leader-agrees-to-debate-comic-in-stadium-before-runoff
Ukrainian Leader Agrees to Debate Comic in Stadium Before Runoff


Excellent! Does anyone with better Ukrainian language skill than me know if this will be broadcast anywhere with Russian or English translation?

It's not clear, where it will be broadcasted, if it will be at all. Theoretically, at Суспильне, but Zelenskiy wanted all channels, so it would be broadcasted on youtube on 112 and Newsone.
But probably without translation
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« Reply #114 on: April 05, 2019, 10:12:01 am »

After Po accepted the invitation to have a debate suggested Ze that Ti should be a moderate the debate to make it transparent...

Today, they were taking a drug tests to prove that they are not alcoholics or drug addicts... Then Klichko, the Mayor of Kiev and a former boxer, weights in and trolls them by saying that those drug test are joke and that he can organize the real one for them… Surreal...


It is starting to become a big fat joke... Does Ze want to lose?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47819047
https://www.facebook.com/KlitschkoOfficial/posts/10156171518155205
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« Reply #115 on: April 05, 2019, 02:30:31 pm »

After Po accepted the invitation to have a debate suggested Ze that Ti should be a moderate the debate to make it transparent...

Today, they were taking a drug tests to prove that they are not alcoholics or drug addicts... Then Klichko, the Mayor of Kiev and a former boxer, weights in and trolls them by saying that those drug test are joke and that he can organize the real one for them… Surreal...


It is starting to become a big fat joke... Does Ze want to lose?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47819047
https://www.facebook.com/KlitschkoOfficial/posts/10156171518155205

Those events are good for Zelenskiy. He is comedian, after all. And Poroshenko so far has done nothing to raise his rating.
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« Reply #116 on: April 05, 2019, 02:52:26 pm »

Big question is whether the next Ukrainian President will be Pro-US ?

I doubt the Po-isto will get reelected at this point. What did he do to piss people off ?
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« Reply #117 on: April 05, 2019, 03:12:48 pm »

Big question is whether the next Ukrainian President will be Pro-US ?

I doubt the Po-isto will get reelected at this point. What did he do to piss people off ?

Zelensky is not pro-US/EU. But at the same time, he doesn't pro-Russia, at least to the extent Yanukovych was and Boyko could have been.
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« Reply #118 on: April 05, 2019, 04:01:48 pm »

Big question is whether the next Ukrainian President will be Pro-US ?

I doubt the Po-isto will get reelected at this point. What did he do to piss people off ?

Zelensky is not pro-US/EU. But at the same time, he doesn't pro-Russia, at least to the extent Yanukovych was and Boyko could have been.

Actually, he is pro-EU and pro-US. Differences between him and all others pro-EU pro-NATO candidates: he wants referendum about should Ukraine go into NATO (Zelenskiy himself supports NATO)? And he wants peace talks with Russia (as compromises, Ze team spoke about real autonomy for Donbass).
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« Reply #119 on: April 05, 2019, 06:27:55 pm »

Map by districts. Brown district in Donetsk region - place where falsifications were, about 50 000 non-existent votes for Poroshenko were added (not only in this district, in sum through Donetsk region).
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The border between Donetsk/Luhansk regions and the rest of Ukraine seems to be very sharp...
I suspect some of that is simply who controls local politics the dropoff in support is rather quick out of the two regions towards zelensky.  The old party of regions network still exists there even as it has died elsewhere.  obviously the other factors mentioned are part of it as well.
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« Reply #120 on: April 06, 2019, 12:54:38 am »

Big question is whether the next Ukrainian President will be Pro-US ?

I doubt the Po-isto will get reelected at this point. What did he do to piss people off ?

Zelensky is not pro-US/EU. But at the same time, he doesn't pro-Russia, at least to the extent Yanukovych was and Boyko could have been.

Actually, he is pro-EU and pro-US. Differences between him and all others pro-EU pro-NATO candidates: he wants referendum about should Ukraine go into NATO (Zelenskiy himself supports NATO)? And he wants peace talks with Russia (as compromises, Ze team spoke about real autonomy for Donbass).

Both are reasonable positions, IMHO, as Russia will not go anywhere, and will remain closest and most important (historically, economically, and so on) neighbour of Ukraine. You are not obliged to love your neighbour, but stable and minimally nornal relations with him are always preferrable to open hostility...
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« Reply #121 on: April 06, 2019, 09:50:47 am »

Map by districts. Brown district in Donetsk region - place where falsifications were, about 50 000 non-existent votes for Poroshenko were added (not only in this district, in sum through Donetsk region).
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So Poroshenko was very strong in Lviv while battling it out with Tymoschenko in the rest of Western Ukraine?
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« Reply #122 on: April 10, 2019, 01:41:39 am »

Fun fact: the worst district for Poroshenko was Bolhrad district in Odessa region(3.82%). And it is his birthplace!
Not surprising, so: before 2014, it was very pro-eastern, and its population: 57% Bulgarians, 17% Gagauzes, 16% Russians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolhrad_Raion

Another sign of terrible Poroshenko's performance with ethnic minorities: the best district for Zelenskiy (51,13%) was Berehove district in  Zakarpattia region, 76% of population are Hungarians, 18,8% Ruthenians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berehove_Raion
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« Reply #123 on: April 10, 2019, 10:02:19 am »

The results were rigged by the current President, Petro Poroshenko. I am personally convinced of this

don't worry, he's done in second round
I understand, but I would like to see President Tymoshenko, not a comedian Zelensky

You seem to have pretty good takes on Ukrainian politics as a Ukrainian, so I'm curious, who do you plan on voting for in the second round?
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« Reply #124 on: April 11, 2019, 07:09:14 am »

The first poll after the first round.

        All            Gonna vote         Gonna vote & decided
Ze    51%            61%                        71%
Po    21%            24%                        29%



(UKR) http://ratinggroup.ua/getfile/356/rg_ukraine_monitoring_042019_press.pdf
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