muon2's Diplomacy game

[muon2]

Adjustments for 1904:
France builds F bre
Germany builds F ber
Russia disbands A ukr

This is the position to start 1905.



Spring 1905 orders are due by 11:59 CST Fri Dec 14.

[muon2]

Spring 1905
Three units are dislodged. Bud has no retreats and is destroyed. War has no owner and is disbanded. Spa/sc  must either retreat to wes or disband, and Italy should send those orders as soon as possible, but no later than Sun.

I will be traveling next Fri and Sat and may have limited internet access. Therefore the Fall 1905 move will be due Thursday Dec 20 at 11:59 pm CST.

Austria:
        A bud Supports A tri -> ser
          Dislodged from ser (2 against 1).
          The Army in Budapest cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
        A tri -> ser
          Bounced with bul (1 against 1).
        F tun -> tys
          Bounced with ion (1 against 1).
        A vie Supports A bud
          Support cut by Move from Galicia.   
     
England:
          No orders received. All units hold.
        F lon Holds
        F nth Holds
        F nwy Holds
        A yor Holds   
   
France:
        F bre -> mao
        A bur -> mar
          Bounced with mar (1 against 2).
        A gas Supports F por -> spa/sc
        A mun Holds
        F por -> spa/sc
        A ruh -> hol

Germany:
        F ber Supports A kie
        F den -> ska
        A kie Supports F ber
        A pru -> war
        A sil Supports A pru -> war
       
Italy:
        F lyo Supports A mar
        A mar Supports F spa/sc
          Support cut by Move from Burgundy.
        Italy: F spa/sc Supports A mar
          Support cut by Move from Portugal. Dislodged from por (2 against 1).
        A ven -> tri
          Failed because Austria: A tri -> ser failed.
   
Russia:
          No orders received. All units hold.
        A mos Holds
        A war Holds
          Dislodged from pru (2 against 1). Unit disbanded.
   
Turkey:
        F aeg  -> ion
          Failed because Turkey: F ion -> tys failed.
        F bla -> con
        A bul -> ser
          Bounced with tri (1 against 1).
        A gal -> vie
          Bounced with vie (1 against 1).
        A gre -> alb
        F ion -> tys
          Bounced with tun (1 against 1).
        A rum Supports A ser -> bud
        A ser -> bud
   


The position after retreats will be posted once Italy's orders are received.

[muon2]

Italy retreats spa/sc -> wes. That makes this the position for Fall 1905 moves.



As I noted above, due to my travel schedule moves for Fall 1905 are due Thu Dec 20 by 11:59 pm CST. Retreats and adjustments will take place as soon as possible over the weekend.

Due to the holidays there will be no move due on Fri Dec 28. The Spring 1906 move is scheduled for Jan 4, 2019.

[muon2]

Fall 1905
Three units are dislodged. A tri has no retreats and is destroyed. Italy A mar must either retreat to pie or disband. Austria A vie must either retreat to boh or disband. Note that if either power disbands the unit instead of retreating, no other unit would be removed from winter adjustment. Austria and Italy should post those orders as soon as possible, but no later than Sat.

Other adjustments are due by pm by Sun Dec 23 at 11:59 pm


Austria: Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 1.
        A tri Supports A vie -> bud
         Dislodged from ven (2 against 1).
          The Army in Trieste cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
        F tun -> ion
          Bounced with aeg (1 against 1).
        A vie -> bud
          Bounced with bud (1 against 2). Dislodged from gal (2 against 1).
  
England:
          No orders received. All units hold.
        F lon Holds
        F nth Holds
        F nwy Holds
        A yor Holds    
    
France: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.
        A bur -> mar
        A gas Supports F bur -> mar
        A hol Holds
        F mao -> wes
          Failed because Italy: F wes -> tun failed.
        A mun -> tyr
        F spa/sc -> lyo
          Bounced with lyo (1 against 1).

Germany: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.
        F ber -> bal
        A kie Holds
        A sil -> gal
        F ska -> den
        A war Supports A sil -> gal
        
Italy: Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 1.
        F lyo Supports A mar
          Support cut by Move from Spain.
        A mar Holds
          Dislodged from bur (2 against 1).
        A ven -> tri
        F wes -> tun
          Failed because Austria: F tun -> ion failed.
    
Russia:
          No orders received. All units hold.
        A mos Holds
    
Turkey: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3 (only 2 unoccupied centers are available).
        F aeg  -> ion
          Bounced with tun (1 against 1).
        A alb Supports A ven -> tri
        A bud Supports A gal -> vie
        A bul -> ser
        F con -> aeg
          Failed because Turkey: F aeg -> ion failed.
        A gal -> vie
        F ion -> nap
        A rum Supports A bud
    


This is the position before retreats.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Austria's essentially dead.  An army in Bohemia can't hope to survive, while a Free Austria Navy in Tunisia can't do anything while it might survive another year or two, if only because of the incompetence of the Ottoman Navy in getting out of its own way so that it could build that third unit in Constantinople.  (Note, the Admirals in this game have generally been incompetent on all sides, not just the Ottoman Admirals.)

Italy would have been better off doing a full retreat in the West, at least temporarily. Had it done Lyo->tys, Italy wouldn't be disbanding a unit and France would be building one less because France wouldn't have captured Spain.

If y'all are allowing joint victories, a Franco-Ottoman one is now available if the two don't want to see who wins.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Austria's essentially dead.  An army in Bohemia can't hope to survive, while a Free Austria Navy in Tunisia can't do anything while it might survive another year or two, if only because of the incompetence of the Ottoman Navy in getting out of its own way so that it could build that third unit in Constantinople.  (Note, the Admirals in this game have generally been incompetent on all sides, not just the Ottoman Admirals.)

Italy would have been better off doing a full retreat in the West, at least temporarily. Had it done Lyo->tys, Italy wouldn't be disbanding a unit and France would be building one less because France wouldn't have captured Spain.

If y'all are allowing joint victories, a Franco-Ottoman one is now available if the two don't want to see who wins.

The responsible admirals have been recalled to Constantinople for consultation.

[NOVA Green]

Austria's essentially dead.  An army in Bohemia can't hope to survive, while a Free Austria Navy in Tunisia can't do anything while it might survive another year or two, if only because of the incompetence of the Ottoman Navy in getting out of its own way so that it could build that third unit in Constantinople.  (Note, the Admirals in this game have generally been incompetent on all sides, not just the Ottoman Admirals.)

Italy would have been better off doing a full retreat in the West, at least temporarily. Had it done Lyo->tys, Italy wouldn't be disbanding a unit and France would be building one less because France wouldn't have captured Spain.

If y'all are allowing joint victories, a Franco-Ottoman one is now available if the two don't want to see who wins.

The responsible admirals have been recalled to Constantinople for consultation.

11 novembre 1905
Paris, France

Your Excellency (Former English Ambassador) from 11 octobre 1901 au 2 juillet 1902,

The French Government appreciates your frank and quite honestly blunt critique of the general overall flawed military tactics and strategy employed by the Naval forces of most Nations at critical times over the course of the past Five Years.

Despite your abrupt resignation of your post as England's Ambassador to most of Europe, your works are still routinely published into the Political Science Journals at a global level.

In fact my Government was recently shocked to see of your extended speaking tour of America, including Boston, Philadelphia, New York, Chicago, Atlanta, and of course the US Capitol of Washington itself.

We understand that you are earning a significant amount of revenue from these activities, and haven't returned to London in over a Year, while political violence and dysfunction continues in England (Especially now that the Irish and Scottish Rebellions have essentially created two independent nations), while meanwhile English Military forces are occupying the Mines of the Northlands and the Mills of Sheffield and Birmingham, not to mention many neighborhoods of East and South London, to prevent a full blown revolution.

It is true that although various Naval Commanders and War Cabinet members have made mistakes, but still, I am not convinced that your generalization of these affairs shopped to the American market is truly representative of the overall situation:

Although I cannot speak to each individual Nation's Military Movements, it appears that the minor issue with Germany in Spring of '01 was the fault of the Army Commander in charge and not the Naval commander....

Since then the German Naval forces have successfully executed all strategic and tactical movements.

England, as you are well aware suffered a major flawed naval execution during your tenure as English Ambassador to Europe, and we don't need to go into all of the details of that.

The Russians and Austrians, haven't really had any major flawed execution of naval units that I can easily discern.

I will let your comments regarding Italian and Turkish Naval Movements speak for themselves.

France, as you well know recently achieved a change in Political leadership with the recent election of Aristide Briand as President of France, and also a solid gain in Radical-Socialist representation within our legislative branch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristide_Briand

This change in Political Leadership was as a direct result of a multiplicity of factors:

1.) The loss of the glorious cradle of the French Revolution and Jacobin stronghold and ancient Roman Port City of Marseilles and subsequent Italian Military austerity occupation caused major anger among the French Citoyens from "des grandes villes à la campagne".

2.) When we opened the Paris World Fair of 1900, we promoted it as event that would bring Nations together, an end of war, mutual sharing of science and technology, and progressive cultural exchange of ideas as part of a "New Europe".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposition_Universelle_(1900)

Even here we showcased the innovations of the motion picture to display the science and technological innovations to a global audience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1900_-_The_Paris_Exposition_Universelle.webm

3.) The collapse of the English Government during your tenure, after extremely aggressive Military Movements contrary to diplomatic correspondence that still exists in our official records, triggered a Government crisis within France.

4.) The French Nationalists that were yearning to reclaim the Franco-Prussian regions of the Rhine Valley area after the Wars of 1870-1871 achieved power within French Army Forces at a Senior Level.

5.) French Naval Forces that were sent to Occupy Liverpool as part of a Peacekeeping operation, mutinied against their Nationalist officers the first time they were ordered to bombard the working-class dockworker communities, while meanwhile their beloved City of Marseilles was under Foreign Occupation.

6.) Although I am not attempting to critique your overall generalization, if you want an understanding from the French perspective on such internal matters, before publishing this to a global audience with what passes for "faux analysis", as an individual with Socialist leanings under prior French Governments, would be more than happy to be attributed in your book sales in America, as well as getting credited in your "political science" publications on such matters.

Honest Regards,

European Ambassador,

NoVA GREEN

[muon2]

Fall 1905
Three units are dislodged. A tri has no retreats and is destroyed. Italy A mar must either retreat to pie or disband. Austria A vie must either retreat to boh or disband. Note that if either power disbands the unit instead of retreating, no other unit would be removed from winter adjustment. Austria and Italy should post those orders as soon as possible, but no later than Sat.

Other adjustments are due by pm by Sun Dec 23 at 11:59 pm

Italy orders A mar to disband.
No orders received for Austria A vie. Unit disbanded.

Please submit build orders, if not submitted already. Once all adjustments are in I will post a new map.

[muon2]

Winter 1905 adjustments

France: F bre, A par
Germany: A ber
Turkey: A ank, F smy

This is the position to begin 1906.



Spring 1906 moves are due 11:59 pm CST on Fri Jan 4, 2019. Happy New Year!

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

German troops in Galicia, Warsaw, and Kiel cross the trenches with Christmas beverages and carols to greet the French, Russian, and Turkish lines.

[NOVA Green]

German troops in Galicia, Warsaw, and Kiel cross the trenches with Christmas beverages and carols to greet the French, Russian, and Turkish lines.

French Army troops in the Netherlands cross over the trenches to greet their German adversaries with bottles of wine and champagne expedited to the front lines, and join together to sing traditional Holiday anthems in both languages and tell stories of their families and children that are awaiting their return from the War.

French forces in Tyrol, seasoned Veterans of the Franco-German War disobey direct Military orders and cross the trenches in the early Morning Hours of Christmas Day to join with their Italian Working Class rivals in Holiday Festivities.

Meanwhile, the French Officer Corps in Tyrol hosted the Turkish Officer Corp from the Army Occupying Vienna for a Week in Holiday Festivities and working sessions on how to prevent any mutual misunderstandings should Enlisted Men accidentally cause a major Diplomatic Incident.

The French Army forces that liberated Marseilles are reunited with their families after several years of Italian Military Occupation, while the Italian Army that formerly held the City dissolved and went back home and is now enjoying their Holiday season with their families.

The Admiral of the French Fleet in Spain approached the Italian Naval Fleet in the Gulf of Lyons with a White Flag, and boarded the Italian Admirals ship under the watchful eyes of the French and Italian Naval Warships nearby, to exchange Holiday Cheer and toasts, and hopes for an end to a war that has cost so many lives on both sides.

[muon2]

The holidays have passed; peacefully I hope. Nonetheless we are back on the clock for military action. Spring 1906 moves are due tonight by 11:59 pm CST.

[muon2]

Spring 1906
No units are dislodged or destroyed. In fact no orders failed. Indeed it was a peaceful Christmas holiday!

Fall 1906 orders are due by Fri Jan 11 at 11:59 pm CST.

Austria:
          No orders received. All units hold.
        F tun Holds
  
England:
          No orders received. All units hold.
        F lon Holds
        F nth Holds
        F nwy Holds
        A yor Holds    
  
France:
        F bre -> eng
        A gas -> bur
        A hol Holds
        A mar -> pie
        F mao -> naf
        A par -> pic
        F spa/sc Holds
        A tyr Supports A mar -> pie
 
Germany:
        F bal -> swe
        A ber -> sil
        F den -> ska
        A gal -> war
        A kie -> ber
        A war -> lvn

Italy:
        F lyo -> tys
        A tri Holds
        F wes Holds
    
Russia:
          No orders received. All units hold.
        A mos Holds
    
Turkey:
        F aeg  -> ion
        A alb Holds
        A ank -> arm
        A bud Supports A vie
        F con -> bla
        F nap Supports F aeg -> ion
        A rum Supports A bud
        A ser Holds
        F smy -> aeg
        A vie Supports A bud
    



This is the position after movement.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Spring 1906

Turkey: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3 (only 2 unoccupied centers are available).

Sorry, our construction yards are on summer holiday.

[NOVA Green]

Spring 1906

Turkey: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3 (only 2 unoccupied centers are available).

Sorry, our construction yards are on summer holiday.

*** French Dockworkers in Marseilles go on strike in solidarity with the Dockworkers in Istanbul being forced to work mandatory Overtime to build additional Fleets, which was the result of the impact of the English Dockworkers Strike in Liverpool that started in '03, which spreads like wildfire as a result of wartime Union Repression and war wariness within the Working Classes of Europe ***

[muon2]

Spring 1906

Turkey: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3 (only 2 unoccupied centers are available).

Sorry, our construction yards are on summer holiday.

The international press corps was a bit concerned by the packet ship arriving long after it was expected. The ship claimed it was due to the intense naval traffic in the Mediterranean.  Nonetheless the intrepid reporters ran with the story, unaware that it was merely a transcription of the news from last fall.

[NOVA Green]

Spring 1906

Turkey: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3 (only 2 unoccupied centers are available).

Sorry, our construction yards are on summer holiday.

The international press corps was a bit concerned by the packet ship arriving long after it was expected. The ship claimed it was due to the intense naval traffic in the Mediterranean.  Nonetheless the intrepid reporters ran with the story, unaware that it was merely a transcription of the news from last fall.

The rumor doing the rounds in the Cities of France and England, is that this story first gained traction as a result of American Journalists from the Hearst Media Empire, intercepting the package in order to boost Newspaper Sales in America, as part of what most Europeans are now viewing as typical "Yellow Journalism".

This is obviously Fake News, whether by intent or sloppiness, but our Governments Intelligence Agencies firmly believe this was an attempt by the bellicose Southern States to create a War Fever in America in order to seize French and English Colonies in the New World, while at the present time American Military Forces have been deployed to the Western Canadian Border in Washington State, Maine and Update New York in Quebec Province, and even in Michigan, close to the Capital of Canada, in order to exploit the Civil Disorder in England and the collapse of the former Great British Empire.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Having finally finished its buildup, the United States is ready to get involved in Diplomacy.

Fall 1906 orders:

F Salish Sea supports A Washington -> British Columbia
A Washington -> British Columbia
A Montana supports A Washington -> British Columbia
A Dakota supports A Minnesota -> Manitoba
A Minnesota -> Manitoba
A Michigan supports A New York -> Ontario
A New York -> Ontario
F Gulf of Maine supports A New England-> New Brunswick
A New England -> New Brunswick
F Delmarva -> West Atlantic
A Georgilina -> Delmarva
A Florida -> Cuba
F Sargasso convoys A Florida -> Cuba
F Caribbean supports A Florida -> Cuba
A Louisiana -> Nuevo Leon
F Gulf of Mexico convoys A Louisiana -> Nuevo Leon
A Texas supports A Louisiana -> Nuevo Leon
A New Mexico supports A Arizona -> Sonora
A Arizona -> Sonora
F California Coast supports F San Diego -> Baja California (wc)
A Hawaii holds
A Manila supports A Davao holding
A Davao supports A Manila holding

[NOVA Green]

Having finally finished its buildup, the United States is ready to get involved in Diplomacy.

Fall 1906 orders:

F Salish Sea supports A Washington -> British Columbia
A Washington -> British Columbia
A Montana supports A Washington -> British Columbia
A Dakota supports A Minnesota -> Manitoba
A Minnesota -> Manitoba
A Michigan supports A New York -> Ontario
A New York -> Ontario
F Gulf of Maine supports A New England-> New Brunswick
A New England -> New Brunswick
F Delmarva -> West Atlantic
A Georgilina -> Delmarva
A Florida -> Cuba
F Sargasso convoys A Florida -> Cuba
F Caribbean supports A Florida -> Cuba
A Louisiana -> Nuevo Leon
F Gulf of Mexico convoys A Louisiana -> Nuevo Leon
A Texas supports A Louisiana -> Nuevo Leon
A New Mexico supports A Arizona -> Sonora
A Arizona -> Sonora
F California Coast supports F San Diego -> Baja California (wc)
A Hawaii holds
A Manila supports A Davao holding
A Davao supports A Manila holding

All of Europe was wondering what has been happening in the "New World"....

Although I'm not sure exactly which expansion of Diplomacy your movements represent, I'm assuming it is something like the following:

https://webdiplomacy.net/variants.php

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I wasn't worrying about a standard Diplomacy variant, just coming up with Diplomacy-esque area names assuming a united United States.

[muon2]

Fall 1906
Units are dislodged in mos and swe. Since these units are in powers in civil disorder they are eliminated. Russia has no home supply centers and is eliminated from the game. Italy has no home supply centers and is eliminated from the game. Austria and England remain in civil disorder. That leaves three active powers: France, Germany and Turkey. A mutual draw requires the consent of those three players during the same turn/phase.

Adjustments are due by pm by Sun Jan 13 at 11:59 pm


Austria:
          No orders received. All units hold.
        F tun Holds
  
England: Supply centers were lost. F nwy Disbands.
          No orders received. All units hold.
        F lon Holds
        F nth Holds
        F nwy Holds
          Dislodged from swe (2 against 1).
        A yor Holds    
    
France: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.
        A bur -> mun
        F eng Convoys A pic -> wal
        A hol Holds
        F naf Supports F tun
        A pic -> wal
          Convoy path taken: pic->eng->wal.
        A pie -> ven
        F spa/sc -> wes
          Failed because Italy: F wes -> tun failed.
        A tyr Supports A pie -> ven

Germany: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 2.
        A ber -> pru
        A lvn -> mos
        A sil Holds
        F ska Supports F swe -> nwy
        F swe -> nwy
        A war Supports A lvn -> mos
        
Italy: Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 2.
        A tri -> ven
          Bounced with pie (1 against 2).
          Dislodged from ser (3 against 1); A tri cannot retreat, unit destroyed.
        F tys Supports F wes -> tun
        F wes -> tun
          Bounced with tun (2 against 2).
    
Russia: Supply centers were lost. A mos Disbands.
          No orders received. All units hold.
        A mos Holds
          Dislodged from lvn (2 against 1).
    
Turkey: Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 3.
        F aeg  -> ion
        A alb Supports A ser -> tri
        A arm -> sev
        F bla Supports A arm -> sev
        A bud Supports A vie
        F ion -> nap
        F nap -> rom
        A rum Holds
        A ser -> tri
        A vie Supports A ser -> tri
    


This is the position before Winter adjustments.

[YPestis25]

Well I had a good run

[GeorgiaModerate]

Well I had a good run

Italy is hard enough to play under normal circumstances.  With no England to oppose France and no Russia to oppose Turkey, you were pretty much doomed from the start.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

At this point, it's fairly clear that the Turks have won, the only question is if a Franco-German alliance can force the Porte to accept a draw.

The Germans have no ability to threaten Sevastapol and their prospects of advancing into the former Austrian territories look bleak.  The Porte might be able to take Moscow in 1908, but likely only if the Reich fails to reinforce Moscow because it gets too involved in the West.

The French also have a lack of ability to act against the Turks right now. It's doubtful that the Republic of France can hold on to Venice once the Turks get a fleet into the Adriatic with the only question being does that happen in 1907 or 1908? Too much effort in Britain, or even worse, fighting with Germany, makes reinforcing the Republic's forces in the western Mediterranean in time impossible, but Britain has supply centers a Franco-German alliance will need to be able to halt the Porte.

The biggest weakness a Franco-German alliance has are those two German navies. If they're needed in the Baltic for defense, the Porte will have taken at least Moscow. If the French were to build a second northern fleet that could then grind the German fleet to pieces to be replaced by armies before heading south themselves to the Mediterranean, that too would actually make the situation worse in the short term by tying up so much force away from the Turkish fronts, that they might win outright before the freed up resources could get south.

Oddly enough, what a Franco-German alliance needs most is either an active British or an active Austrian player, at least in the short run.  A British player could grind away the German fleets so they could be rebuilt as armies without tying up French navies and make it possible for the one French army already landed to take Britain without further reinforcements, tho it wouldn't be able to finish until Fall 1909. (Obviously France would need to let Germany get back Munich at minimum.)  An active Austrian player cooperating with the French would be able to hold Tunis and support French navies in the water. (In the turn just past, an Austria cooperating with the French would have been able to get a French fleet into WES and still seen the elimination of the Italians.)

[GeorgiaModerate]

At this point, it's fairly clear that the Turks have won, the only question is if a Franco-German alliance can force the Porte to accept a draw.

The Germans have no ability to threaten Sevastapol and their prospects of advancing into the former Austrian territories look bleak.  The Porte might be able to take Moscow in 1908, but likely only if the Reich fails to reinforce Moscow because it gets too involved in the West.

The French also have a lack of ability to act against the Turks right now. It's doubtful that the Republic of France can hold on to Venice once the Turks get a fleet into the Adriatic with the only question being does that happen in 1907 or 1908? Too much effort in Britain, or even worse, fighting with Germany, makes reinforcing the Republic's forces in the western Mediterranean in time impossible, but Britain has supply centers a Franco-German alliance will need to be able to halt the Porte.

The biggest weakness a Franco-German alliance has are those two German navies. If they're needed in the Baltic for defense, the Porte will have taken at least Moscow. If the French were to build a second northern fleet that could then grind the German fleet to pieces to be replaced by armies before heading south themselves to the Mediterranean, that too would actually make the situation worse in the short term by tying up so much force away from the Turkish fronts, that they might win outright before the freed up resources could get south.

Oddly enough, what a Franco-German alliance needs most is either an active British or an active Austrian player, at least in the short run.  A British player could grind away the German fleets so they could be rebuilt as armies without tying up French navies and make it possible for the one French army already landed to take Britain without further reinforcements, tho it wouldn't be able to finish until Fall 1909. (Obviously France would need to let Germany get back Munich at minimum.)  An active Austrian player cooperating with the French would be able to hold Tunis and support French navies in the water. (In the turn just past, an Austria cooperating with the French would have been able to get a French fleet into WES and still seen the elimination of the Italians.)

Well, no.  One of the most important skills in Diplomacy is the ability to count to 18.  Unless F&G are completely brain-dead (which they have demonstrated not to be the case), the absolute max that Turkey can take in this position is Turkey (3) + Austria (3) + Balkans (4) + Italy (3) + Tunis (1) + Russia except StP (3) for a total of 17.   The 18th center just isn't there; France can block me from further gains in the Med, Stp can't be taken by land from the south as long as it has minimal support, and FG can easily defend the German centers.  The game will be an FGT draw, and I'll be happy to call it a day as soon as Austria is eliminated.  Or if Austria is now considered in CD, let's call it now and think about starting a new game with 7 active players this time. 

Muon2: Can we call a vote for an FGT draw now?  If so, I propose it and vote yes.