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« on: October 01, 2018, 09:08:47 AM »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-economy/turkish-manufacturing-slides-to-9-year-low-economists-see-evidence-of-recession-idUSKCN1MB1TV
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So what other democratically elected European conservative government lead their country into a premature recession; Hungary, Romania, the Netherlands?
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2018, 10:55:30 AM »

I can't see any of the 3 going into a premature recession.

My vote: Write in Italy.

The M5S-Lega goverment seems like the exact recepie for a disaster.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2018, 12:54:10 PM »

Ehm, why on earth is the Netherlands on that list? We have a centre-right government but I think you're confusing the Netherlands with another country since our government definitely isn't comparable to governments in Hungary or Romania. Our government consists out of centre-right conservative liberals, centrist Christian Democrats, centrist pro-EU progressives and a small socially conservative (but leftish) Christian party.

We have a big budget surplus and economically things are going quite well here (3% GDP growth!), even though we have some issues. There is a housing shortage (imo because of left-wing housing market policies such as strict rent controls, but who am I Tongue?), we're generally prone to financial crises and recessions, a sharp divide on the labour market between people with sh**tty temporary contracts and people on extremely protected long-term contracts and relatively high taxes. But several of these things are being dealt with by our government (which, I repeat, isn't far-right at all).

Maybe you're confusing the Netherlands with Austria? The right-wing populists are junior partners in a conservative coalition there. But I still don't think it's comparable to increasingly authoritorian governments in Eastern Europe (and chancellor Kurz himself isn't anti-EU or right-wing populist at all).

And I know Eastern European politics are rather weird (and extremely socially conservative), but technically the social democrats are in charge in Romania.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2018, 01:29:02 PM »

Those were the two countries I had in mind. I was making a joke with the Netherlands, although complaining about Surinamese people by the PM is pretty Fashy.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2018, 02:03:15 PM »

Those were the two countries I had in mind. I was making a joke with the Netherlands, although complaining about Surinamese people by the PM is pretty Fashy.

Foreign affairs minister Blok, not god-emperor/PM Rutte
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2018, 03:02:03 PM »

Those were the two countries I had in mind. I was making a joke with the Netherlands, although complaining about Surinamese people by the PM is pretty Fashy.

Foreign affairs minister Blok, not god-emperor/PM Rutte
I recant, but putting a racist as foreign affairs minister calling someone a god emperor is even more fashy
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2018, 01:25:36 AM »
« Edited: October 08, 2018, 01:31:26 AM by mvd10 »

Those were the two countries I had in mind. I was making a joke with the Netherlands, although complaining about Surinamese people by the PM is pretty Fashy.

Foreign affairs minister Blok, not god-emperor/PM Rutte
I recant, but putting a racist as foreign affairs minister calling someone a god emperor is even more fashy

To be fair Mark Rutte is the first-ever (classical) liberal PM, so I feel like we owe him one Smiley (no but and yes, calling him god-emperor was a joke). But seriously, the Dutch government is in no way comparable to increasingly authoritorian Eastern European governments. There are no populists in our government (no, not every European right-winger is a skinhead lol) and the far-right types actually hate this government. It's just a milquetoast centre-right government. And I have a lot of faith in this government's economic team, so I'm afraid that government policies will not be the cause of our next recession Smiley.
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