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Question: How would you vote?
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Which system should British Columbia use for provincial elections?
 
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The current First Past the Post voting system
 
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A proportional representation voting system
 
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If British Columbia adopts a proportional representation voting system, which of the following voting systems do you prefer?
 
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Dual Member Proportional (DMP)
 
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Mixed Member Proportional (MMP)
 
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Rural–Urban Proportional (RUP)
 
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« on: October 22, 2018, 10:33:38 AM »
« edited: October 22, 2018, 12:17:25 PM by Sir Tiki »

British Columbia is holding a postal ballot referendum on their current electoral system between today and November 30th. If you were casting your ballot in it, how would you vote?

Some information about the possible replacements:

Dual-Member Proportional (DMP): Each riding gets two seats. The first seat goes to the candidate with the most votes, the second seat is awarded to whichever candidate on the ballot can help balance out proportionality in the legislature as designated by the popular vote.

Mixed-Member Proportional (MMP): The system currently used in New Zealand. Voters choose two representatives, one for their riding and another for their region. The riding seat goes to the candidate with the most votes, while the region seats are allocated to underrepresented parties in order to help the legislature match the popular vote.

Rural-Urban Proportional (RUP): A hybrid system based off of electoral models used in some Nordic countries. Voters in rural ridings elect their candidates using mixed-member proportional, while voters in urban ridings elect their candidates using the single transferable vote system (multiple member ridings whose candidates are elected using ranked choice voting).
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2018, 10:36:55 AM »

Sorry, I meant to post this in the Individual Politics board. Sad Mods, please feel free to move.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2018, 11:05:24 AM »

  What system will likely have the lowest threshold?
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2018, 11:34:53 AM »

MMP.

My vote hasn't changed since the last referendum on this issue was held in Ontario in 2007.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2018, 11:41:18 AM »

MMP.

My vote hasn't changed since the last referendum on this issue was held in Ontario in 2007.

Exact Same as Hatman!... my vote hasn't changed since I did a research paper on electoral systems in College (2002-is) I've been supporting MMP since then!
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2018, 12:14:59 PM »

 What system will likely have the lowest threshold?

Probably MMP at 3%, if they follow Bolivia's model. DMP has been suggested to need a threshold of 5%, while all I could find about RUP is that it would calculate thresholds after the election is over using the Droop quota due to its use of STV (which could potentially lead to higher thresholds).
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2018, 01:15:53 PM »

PR/MMP
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2018, 01:37:12 PM »

PR/MMP.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2018, 02:09:33 PM »

PR/MMP
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2018, 02:58:12 PM »

Proportional Representation

I'm personally a huge fan of IRV, so I'd pick Rural-Urban Proportional on the 2nd option. However, I'd still prefer pure IRV
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2018, 04:20:55 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2018, 03:42:58 AM »

Always PR.

PR is essential in a democracy.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2018, 10:28:38 AM »

First-Past-the-Post.

Proportional Representation is all about taking seats away from elected politicians from popular parties, and replacing them with appointed politicians from unpopular ones.
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2018, 11:29:05 AM »

First-Past-the-Post.

Proportional Representation is all about taking seats away from elected politicians from popular parties, and replacing them with appointed politicians from unpopular ones.
What do you mean by this? Because under proportional representation each party gets as much seats as it is popular. As for the "appointed" politicians, in all three proposals there is an option to vote for a person.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2018, 01:02:28 PM »

First-Past-the-Post.

Proportional Representation is all about taking seats away from elected politicians from popular parties, and replacing them with appointed politicians from unpopular ones.
The argument that FPTP makes the politicians accountable gets less and less credible given what we've seen in party nomination battles for "safe" seats. Many of these tactics would make Putin or Mugabe proud.
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2018, 02:14:19 PM »

Honestly I could support FPTP if for some reason we moved to a complete copy of the US political system, including the fact that there are primaries open to every American citizen and elections for literally everything (even stuff like judges!), the fact that party discipline is esencially non existent (you can't expel someone for voting against their party), plus a ton of referendums in some states (California I think?) rivaled only by the likes of Switzerland.

However as long as we don't have any of those elements, and especially as long as primaries are limited to card carrying members of the party and party discipline is extremely strong (even UK MPs rebel from time to time!), I can't support FPTP at all.
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2018, 09:29:42 PM »

PR/MMP
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