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CumbrianLefty
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2023, 06:01:01 AM »

Of course some may be thinking of the IRA, who *were* pretty much outright pro-Germany.

And, of course, Sinn Fein (who virtually all of these 'you can't be racist and irish' people vote for) is literally the political arm of the IRA.

Well things have changed just a bit in 80 years - just like almost everywhere else in the world. And the IRA no longer exists save as a veterans club.
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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2023, 02:56:54 PM »

“You Don’t Get to Be Racist and Irish,” “We emigrated/We immigrated/We took refuge/So cannot refuse/When it’s our time/ To return the favor.”

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Mary Lou McDonald: Ukrainian refugees not working in ‘critical’ jobs should not automatically be allowed to stay

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In a hardening of party policy, the Sinn Féin leader said it was a ‘mistake’ to afford special status to Ukrainians. She said that those without key jobs should be made to apply for asylum – and called for deportations to be expedited.

She said: ‘I’m very struck by the fact that lots of people that I talked to, who are good people, reasonable people, who want to do the right thing and want their Government to do the right thing, are very concerned about housing, they’re very concerned. ‘They say, well, I’m on a housing list, or my daughter or my grandchild can’t get accommodated. So how is this going to work, when more people are coming to the country? There’s a real sense that the Government doesn’t have a plan. And I think that has caused angst and concern for some people.’

The Department of Integration has not used social or affordable housing to accommodate Ukrainian refugees, who are instead housed in hotels or pledged accommodation from the public. Nor has social or affordable housing been used for international protection applicants, who are accommodated in temporary settings.

Of course, this isn't a purely Irish issue. Throughout the West, Ukrainians are to left-wingers what Muslims are to right-wingers.
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2023, 05:53:12 PM »

To the Irish posters:

Is this and the riots in November indicative of a significant change in Ireland's mindset towards refugees and migrants, or are these more isolated events?
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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2023, 06:54:02 PM »

To the Irish posters:

Is this and the riots in November indicative of a significant change in Ireland's mindset towards refugees and migrants, or are these more isolated events?
The vast majority of people are rightly horrified at these events and tbh, the protestors you see at these protests or involved in the riots would be called by many as 'scrotes' - basically an equivalent of 'white trash' as they say in America. Helen McEntee was definitely playing to the crowd when she called them 'thugs' (this however definitely plays into their mindset that they're marginalised). That said there is a certainly growing discontent towards migrants/refugees, though nowhere near the level seen in much of the rest of Europe.

Certain issues like the housing crisis has contributed this - some are put out about accepting so many refugees when Irish people are struggling to find accommodation themselves (which has led to growing emigration among young people).

There is also the obligatory 'safety concerns'. The recent conviction of Ashling Murphy's murderer, Slovakian national Josef Puska has certainly fanned the flames. For those that don't know, Ashling, a 23 year old teacher and talented musician, was murdered as she went for a walk during the day in the rural town of Tullamore, Co. Offaly. Puska had been pretty much unemployed for the 10 years he'd been here and claimed disability benefit and attacked Ashling Murphy seemingly at random. What's more his family tried to cover up his crime (and several members of the family are currently being prosecuted for this). Then of course, there was the attack on the child in Dublin that led to the riot - the 'protestors' believed it be an Algerian asylum seeker but he is in fact an Irish citizen who's lived here for 20 years.

Unsurprisingly, Irish 'patriots' and far-righters have cited these of examples of the dangers of immigration. But yes, there's certainly growing reservations among the general public towards immigration. However, it shouldn't be overstated either - I think generally speaking Irish people have a better grasp than many European contemporaries that these represent a small minority and there's always been sort of attitude that the Irish were in the same boat once upon a time.
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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2023, 03:09:13 PM »

To the Irish posters:

Is this and the riots in November indicative of a significant change in Ireland's mindset towards refugees and migrants, or are these more isolated events?
The vast majority of people are rightly horrified at these events and tbh, the protestors you see at these protests or involved in the riots would be called by many as 'scrotes' - basically an equivalent of 'white trash' as they say in America. Helen McEntee was definitely playing to the crowd when she called them 'thugs' (this however definitely plays into their mindset that they're marginalised). That said there is a certainly growing discontent towards migrants/refugees, though nowhere near the level seen in much of the rest of Europe.

Certain issues like the housing crisis has contributed this - some are put out about accepting so many refugees when Irish people are struggling to find accommodation themselves (which has led to growing emigration among young people).

There is also the obligatory 'safety concerns'. The recent conviction of Ashling Murphy's murderer, Slovakian national Josef Puska has certainly fanned the flames. For those that don't know, Ashling, a 23 year old teacher and talented musician, was murdered as she went for a walk during the day in the rural town of Tullamore, Co. Offaly. Puska had been pretty much unemployed for the 10 years he'd been here and claimed disability benefit and attacked Ashling Murphy seemingly at random. What's more his family tried to cover up his crime (and several members of the family are currently being prosecuted for this). Then of course, there was the attack on the child in Dublin that led to the riot - the 'protestors' believed it be an Algerian asylum seeker but he is in fact an Irish citizen who's lived here for 20 years.

Unsurprisingly, Irish 'patriots' and far-righters have cited these of examples of the dangers of immigration. But yes, there's certainly growing reservations among the general public towards immigration. However, it shouldn't be overstated either - I think generally speaking Irish people have a better grasp than many European contemporaries that these represent a small minority and there's always been sort of attitude that the Irish were in the same boat once upon a time.

Thanks, this is a really insightful post!
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