FT 9-05: Fremont Assault Weapons Ban Act (Final Vote)

[Mr. Reactionary]

Have you got any better ideas?
If not go and heckle someone else.

The better idea is not to pass stupid laws banning things you clearly know nothing about.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Have you got any better ideas?
If not go and heckle someone else.

The better idea is not to pass stupid laws banning things you clearly know nothing about.

I'll take that as a no.

[Devout Centrist]

Sustained rate of fire is too nebulous a measure, as its just a ballpark estimate of what a typical trained soldier can fire. When I googled it, some AR15 manuals boast 45 RPM but Wiki said 12-15 RPM is more accurate. Are you going to rely on manuals? Because they will deliberately underreport. Are you going to randomly pick a National Guardsman and let him set the sustained RPM pace? How "scientific".

With a semiautomatic rifle the RPM should be relatively uniform. If you can sustain a rate of fire of 30 trigger pulls/reaiming with an AR15, you can def sustain that rate of fire with a.22 that has almost no recoil. Or .22s are guns for babies. This would ban practically any semiautomatic firearm including .22 hunting rifles as well as any semiautomatic handgun.

Yes, sustained rate of fire is relatively nebulous, but it's the more lenient of the two measures. Cyclic is perhaps too onerous. Of course, this is the initial draft and I will propose more precise language in the revision. I wouldn't be opposed to using terms within the manual.

The second point about banning practically any semiautomatic firearm, however, would not hold because of the other test included in part 1. Gas operated firearms will be perfectly fine; only direct impingement and open bolt firearms would be targeted.

So to clarify it is your position that my semiautomatic AK47 clone and my custom AR15 build, both of which contain gas pistons, will still be legal the next time I spend a week target shooting in Fremont?

I will reiterate that the goal of this legislation is to create regulations for manufacturers and not for hobbyists.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Sustained rate of fire is too nebulous a measure, as its just a ballpark estimate of what a typical trained soldier can fire. When I googled it, some AR15 manuals boast 45 RPM but Wiki said 12-15 RPM is more accurate. Are you going to rely on manuals? Because they will deliberately underreport. Are you going to randomly pick a National Guardsman and let him set the sustained RPM pace? How "scientific".

With a semiautomatic rifle the RPM should be relatively uniform. If you can sustain a rate of fire of 30 trigger pulls/reaiming with an AR15, you can def sustain that rate of fire with a.22 that has almost no recoil. Or .22s are guns for babies. This would ban practically any semiautomatic firearm including .22 hunting rifles as well as any semiautomatic handgun.

Yes, sustained rate of fire is relatively nebulous, but it's the more lenient of the two measures. Cyclic is perhaps too onerous. Of course, this is the initial draft and I will propose more precise language in the revision. I wouldn't be opposed to using terms within the manual.

The second point about banning practically any semiautomatic firearm, however, would not hold because of the other test included in part 1. Gas operated firearms will be perfectly fine; only direct impingement and open bolt firearms would be targeted.

So to clarify it is your position that my semiautomatic AK47 clone and my custom AR15 build, both of which contain gas pistons, will still be legal the next time I spend a week target shooting in Fremont?

I will reiterate that the goal of this legislation is to create regulations for manufacturers and not for hobbyists.

You should offer another amendment then to remove possession and use from what is being banned then.

[Devout Centrist]

You should offer another amendment then to remove possession and use from what is being banned then.

Yes, that's a fair point, I'll offer up an amendment shortly.

[Devout Centrist]

I motion for section 3-1's wording be amended to 'manufacture and sale'.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

I motion for section 3-1's wording be amended to 'manufacture and sale'.

Hold on.
Tomorrow that goes as I introduce the gun buyback and penalties.
I'm just waiting for the current amendment to be adopted without objections.

[JoeyOCanada]

Aye

[Mr. Reactionary]

You should offer another amendment then to remove possession and use from what is being banned then.

Yes, that's a fair point, I'll offer up an amendment shortly.

Thanks. As an FYI that absolves most of my concerns  and while I still dont support the measure I am significantly less hostile now.

[Devout Centrist]

You should offer another amendment then to remove possession and use from what is being banned then.

Yes, that's a fair point, I'll offer up an amendment shortly.

Thanks. As an FYI that absolves most of my concerns  and while I still dont support the measure I am significantly less hostile now.

Very well. Thank you for your contribution, and I hope my colleagues will similarly put forward their own suggestions.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

My amendment to add Buyback and Penalties will hopefully be coming today.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

My amendment to add Buyback and Penalties will hopefully be coming today.

Maybe not, though it is coming.
Also, can I just reaffirm that we cannot hold a final vote yes, as the bill still needs to be amended. And I will amend this bill soon, when I get some time off from all the assessments.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

My amendment to add Buyback and Penalties will hopefully be coming today.

Maybe not, though it is coming.
Also, can I just reaffirm that we cannot hold a final vote yes, as the bill still needs to be amended. And I will amend this bill soon, when I get some time off from all the assessments.

This is coming, soon. Eventually.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Change of plans due to a rescheduling of an exam.
The amendment on buybacks and penalties is probably coming on Saturday (Friday your time). Sorry all about the continued delay, but school unfortunately comes first. If I'm lucky I might get it in earlier, but that's unlikely.
Also, to the Speaker, I must insist that a vote not be held until this amendment is adopted.

[fhtagn]

Honestly ASV, just let this bad bill get killed so the legislature can move onto things that are actually important and actually help people. Next in the queue is legislation that helps those affected by CA wildfires, but that can't be brought to the floor because you're caught up in selfish pet projects like this.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Honestly ASV, just let this bad bill get killed so the legislature can move onto things that are actually important and actually help people. Next in the queue is legislation that helps those affected by CA wildfires, but that can't be brought to the floor because you're caught up in selfish pet projects like this.

Selfish AND constitutionally suspect ...

[Devout Centrist]

Change of plans due to a rescheduling of an exam.
The amendment on buybacks and penalties is probably coming on Saturday (Friday your time). Sorry all about the continued delay, but school unfortunately comes first. If I'm lucky I might get it in earlier, but that's unlikely.
Also, to the Speaker, I must insist that a vote not be held until this amendment is adopted.

You can delegate that responsibility if you like. I would be able to write the proposed amendment.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

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Section 3: Definitions

1. The following test shall be applied to determine whether or not a weapon is defined as an Assault Weapon

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Section 4: Buyback

1. The government of Fremont shalt henceforth establish a Fremont Assault Weapon Buyback scheme.
2. This scheme shall be .
3. The government of Fremont shalt henceforth enumerate an amount of $1 Billion dollars to the aforementioned buyback program.

Section 5: Penalties

1. The manufacture and sale of Assault Weapons within the Commonwealth of Fremont is hereby illegal.
2. The penalty applied to manufacturers and sellers for infringing this law shall be fixed at 150% of profits made from manufacture and or sale.
3. The possession and use of Assault Weapons within the Commonwealth of Fremont is hereby a crime, if the weapon is used in illegal or illicit activities.
4. A person may only be punished for possession of an Assault Weapon if said person has committed a crime involving firearms.
5. In such cases, the government is compelled to seize all firearms possessed by the person in question, regardless of whether they qualify as assault weapons.

Section 7: Implementation

1. This act shall be implemented immediately.

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[AustralianSwingVoter]

Any problems with this amendment?
Have I missed anything?

[Mr. Reactionary]

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This is federally preempted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

[AustralianSwingVoter]

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This is federally preempted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

Okay then, I'll strike that.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Is there any other problems with my amendment?
Is there anything else we want to do?
If not, then we'll have a final vote soon.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

24 hours without objections, the amendment is adopted.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

One last amendment.

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Section 3: Definitions

1. The following test shall be applied to determine whether or not a weapon is defined as an Assault Weapon

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Section 4: Buyback

1. The government of Fremont shalt henceforth establish a Fremont Assault Weapon Buyback scheme.
2. This scheme shall be .
3. The government of Fremont shalt henceforth enumerate an amount of $1 Billion dollars to the aforementioned buyback program.

Section 5: Penalties

1. The manufacture and sale of Assault Weapons within the Commonwealth of Fremont is hereby illegal.
2. The penalty applied to manufacturers and sellers for infringing this law shall be fixed at 150% of profits made from manufacture and or sale.
3. The possession and use of Assault Weapons within the Commonwealth of Fremont is hereby a crime, if the weapon is used in illegal or illicit activities.
4. A person may only be punished for possession of an Assault Weapon if said person has committed a crime involving firearms.
5. In such cases, the government is compelled to seize all firearms possessed by the person in question, regardless of whether they qualify as assault weapons.

Section 7: Implementation

1. This act shall be implemented immediately.
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[Goldwater]

What does section 4.2 mean? I assume it's a typo of some sort?