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« on: November 09, 2018, 03:04:45 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2018, 03:06:43 AM »

I'm assuming this is Bernie and not S*rah
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2018, 03:07:43 AM »

I'm assuming this is Bernie and not S*rah

Oops, yeah. It’s Bernie lol
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2018, 07:37:42 AM »

Its not racist at all, credentials should be of value and not race.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2018, 08:03:51 AM »

Reason #535 why he will get clobbered in the Southern primaries again.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2018, 09:47:54 AM »

Initially thought this was a Sarah Sanders quote. Oh boy.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2018, 10:05:37 AM »

He's not wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2018, 10:10:41 AM »

Point is, you got to vote for the candidate who's best fit to be in office, who has the best qualities, and with who you align more on the issues, and race / gender shouldn't matter. It shouldn't be a reason why you don't vote for them, but it shouldn't be a reason why you vote for them either. I'm not going to vote for a black dude, because he's black. I'm not going to consider not voting for a black, because he's black. I want a normal society, in which people are picked over their qualities and not ignored or picked (both anti-discrimination as affirmative action are absolutely horrible) thanks to their race or gender.

In 2008 Obama was clearly the strongest candidate IMO in retroperspective.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2018, 10:19:38 AM »

I voted for Bernie in 2016, but I think it's best if he stayed out. He did a lot of good advancing progressive ideas into the mainstream, but I think 2020 is a whole different ballgame.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2018, 10:44:06 AM »

Sanders would be a horrible choice for prez; he should stick to the senate.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2018, 05:00:05 PM »

I'm pretty sure that is the literal definition of racism.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2018, 05:03:20 PM »


So if I told you I will vote for Trump over Bernie in 2020 because I’m too uncomfortable voting for the Jew I wouldn’t be an antisemite?

Why is it any different?
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2018, 05:25:37 PM »

I'm pretty sure that is the literal definition of racism.

Thank God, we have Bernie, the white senator from the whitest state in the US, telling us what racism is and what it is not.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2018, 06:30:20 PM »

Horseshoe theory is real.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2018, 06:32:51 PM »

I'm pretty sure that is the literal definition of racism.

Thank God, we have Bernie, the white senator from the whitest state in the US, telling us what racism is and what it is not.
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2018, 06:42:52 PM »

That quote was obviously poorly worded. In this quote he clearly says that racism is a problem.

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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2018, 07:01:14 PM »

I'm pretty sure that is the literal definition of racism.

Thank God, we have Bernie, the white senator from the whitest state in the US, telling us what racism is and what it is not.
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2018, 07:34:25 PM »

Bernie, like a lot of the left, confuses violent racism with racist prejudice.

A better way to phrase what I think he meant -- "you know, there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily Klan members who still felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American."

The American left has a particularly nasty problem with downplaying the importance of personal conviction in the conversation about racism. To many of these people, "being a racist" is essentially a point system -- one point for every time you've used the n-word, five points for every time you've voted against a black candidate because you're uncomfortable with their race, fifty points for every lynching you've participated in, and if you come in under a certain threshold, you're good.

That is absolutely not the way racism works. Racism is a set of values inspired by a worldview based on the assumption that individuals are different from one another in part due to inherent, non-biological (that is, stuff like earlobe length and eyelash curvature, things that don't really matter) qualities inborn via race. Refusing to vote for someone on the grounds that they're black is racism, plain and simple.
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« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2018, 07:35:17 PM »

Please don't run...
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« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2018, 08:09:49 PM »

Bernie, like a lot of the left, confuses violent racism with racist prejudice.

A better way to phrase what I think he meant -- "you know, there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily Klan members who still felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American."

The American left has a particularly nasty problem with downplaying the importance of personal conviction in the conversation about racism. To many of these people, "being a racist" is essentially a point system -- one point for every time you've used the n-word, five points for every time you've voted against a black candidate because you're uncomfortable with their race, fifty points for every lynching you've participated in, and if you come in under a certain threshold, you're good.

That is absolutely not the way racism works. Racism is a set of values inspired by a worldview based on the assumption that individuals are different from one another in part due to inherent, non-biological (that is, stuff like earlobe length and eyelash curvature, things that don't really matter) qualities inborn via race. Refusing to vote for someone on the grounds that they're black is racism, plain and simple.

He said that racism played a part in these elections. Are you going to claim that he didn't think the segregation he fought against in Chicago was racism?
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2018, 08:44:26 PM »

Bernie, like a lot of the left, confuses violent racism with racist prejudice.

A better way to phrase what I think he meant -- "you know, there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily Klan members who still felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American."

The American left has a particularly nasty problem with downplaying the importance of personal conviction in the conversation about racism. To many of these people, "being a racist" is essentially a point system -- one point for every time you've used the n-word, five points for every time you've voted against a black candidate because you're uncomfortable with their race, fifty points for every lynching you've participated in, and if you come in under a certain threshold, you're good.

That is absolutely not the way racism works. Racism is a set of values inspired by a worldview based on the assumption that individuals are different from one another in part due to inherent, non-biological (that is, stuff like earlobe length and eyelash curvature, things that don't really matter) qualities inborn via race. Refusing to vote for someone on the grounds that they're black is racism, plain and simple.

He said that racism played a part in these elections. Are you going to claim that he didn't think the segregation he fought against in Chicago was racism?

Are you saying segregation is not "violent racism?"
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« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2018, 08:45:39 PM »

No, that's racist.  My assumption is that you aren't voting for an African-American because you assume their race makes them unqualified for the job.  That's racist right there.
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« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2018, 08:59:43 PM »

Sanders does have an unfortunate history of tone-deafness on racial issues, and often an inability to talk about racism in any other context than an economic one.
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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2018, 09:39:36 PM »

Bernie, like a lot of the left, confuses violent racism with racist prejudice.

A better way to phrase what I think he meant -- "you know, there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily Klan members who still felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American."

The American left has a particularly nasty problem with downplaying the importance of personal conviction in the conversation about racism. To many of these people, "being a racist" is essentially a point system -- one point for every time you've used the n-word, five points for every time you've voted against a black candidate because you're uncomfortable with their race, fifty points for every lynching you've participated in, and if you come in under a certain threshold, you're good.

That is absolutely not the way racism works. Racism is a set of values inspired by a worldview based on the assumption that individuals are different from one another in part due to inherent, non-biological (that is, stuff like earlobe length and eyelash curvature, things that don't really matter) qualities inborn via race. Refusing to vote for someone on the grounds that they're black is racism, plain and simple.

He said that racism played a part in these elections. Are you going to claim that he didn't think the segregation he fought against in Chicago was racism?

Are you saying segregation is not "violent racism?"

Well, it depends on whether you count this as violence.

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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2018, 11:46:17 PM »

Reason #535 why he will get clobbered in the Southern primaries again.

Maybe he'll lose MS by 80 this time.
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