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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2018, 09:23:12 pm »

1. Kyrsten Sinema
2. Neil Abercrombie
3. Joe Lieberman
4. Christine Gregoire
5. Tulsi Gabbard
6. Bobby Rush
7. Cheri Bustos
8. Mark Zuckerberg
9. Jon Tester
10. Elizabeth Warren
11. Sherrod Brown
12. Andrew Gillum
13. Joe Biden
14. Chris Murphy
15. Beto O'Rourke

This is a joke, right?
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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2018, 09:55:25 pm »

This is for winning the Democratic primary, not the general election.

Tippy top contenders, in order
Joe Biden - failed over and over again running for President, too conservative, #MeToo, and a gaffe machine, but has enormous name recognition and goodwill with Obama voters and, importantly, Obamaworld connections + media loves him
Bernie Sanders - extreme charisma, name recognition, fundraising ability with individual donors, arguably the current leader of the Democratic party, fits the policy zeitgeist, would face the opposition of the establishment
Elizabeth Warren - only one besides the two above with near universal name recognition, underrated charisma and established ability to fundraise with individual donors, woman and progressive which doubly fits the current zeitgeist, Pocahontas thing is overrated, would have some establishment support but not from a lot of key donors

Should be taken very, very seriously
Beto O'Rourke - people love this guy and he's the exact type of charismatic inspiring personality that would win the Democratic nom.  Fairly progressive.  Documented ability to raise with small donors, but not alienating to the establishment.  Would be knocked for lack of experience and losing by some, but young dem voters wouldn't care.  Starting to get some buzz nationally.
Kamala Harris - won statewide in California several times, would have the support of the establishment without being conservative, young and energetic, think her charisma and personal appeal is a little overrated, but it's better than most of the people below her on this list.  Not as much name rec as the people above her.  Crucially, California is an early state.

Unlikely to win
Cory Booker - charismatic, but also a goofy neoliberal fortune cookie, has fundraising potential, a profile
Sherrod Brown - I don't see him having a ton of establishment support or winning a Democratic primary, but he has his own undeniable brand of charisma
Kirsten Gillibrand - kind of phony/calculating, but not boring, middle of the road politically, large donor fundraising ability, political skills, persona non grata with Clintons
Amy Klobuchar - boring, not the type of person who wins Dem primaries, but has some political skills
Deval Patrick - too neoliberal, but could get shoved down our throats by Obamaworld, has large donor fundraising potential, charisma

It's not inconceivable that they could win, but it's absurdly unlikely, in alphabetical order
Hillary Clinton - there is some bizarre, extremely unlikely scenario where enough of her loyalists vote for her in a crowded field with no clear frontrunner and she gets destroyed again in the general
Andrew Cuomo - a crooked right wing a-hole that perennially faces primary challenges, but has large donors and has won statewide in new York, a famous name
Eric Garcetti - handsome mayor in a crowded field
Tulsi Gabbard - energetic, has appeal among internet progressives, but her handful of extreme right-wing positions/record would get her into trouble
Joe Kennedy III - charismatic, a famous name, but WAY too young
Jeff Merkley - would be crowded out by fellow progressives
Tom Steyer - he doesn't have the same baggage/right-wing ideology that Bloomberg and Schultz have, and could presumably buy his way to some success, but he's a billionaire with no political skills

Literally 0% chance of winning the nomination:
Michael Avenatti - this isn't the type of celebrity nonpolitician that could win with Democratic primary voters.  No political connections for fundraising
Michael Bloomberg - too many skeletons, too conservative
Julian Castro - total empty suit in a crowded field
John Delaney - too moderate, too uncharismatic, nobody knows who the hell he is, no fundraising potential
John Hickenlooper - right-wing/out of touch with zeitgeist, crooked, took his mom to a porn theater
Eric Holder - could gain traction in Obamaworld but lacks political skills
Terry McCauliffe - fundraising conservative slimeball
Martin O'Malley - too moderate, already a laughingstock, the wire, sounds like a fortune cookie
Howard Schultz - no political skills, too many skeletons, too conservative

Would have a great chance if they ran but thankfully won't run:  Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama
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« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2018, 10:01:27 pm »

This is for winning the Democratic primary, not the general election.

Tippy top contenders, in order
Joe Biden - failed over and over again running for President, too conservative, #MeToo, and a gaffe machine, but has enormous name recognition and goodwill with Obama voters and, importantly, Obamaworld connections + media loves him
Bernie Sanders - extreme charisma, name recognition, fundraising ability with individual donors, arguably the current leader of the Democratic party, fits the policy zeitgeist, would face the opposition of the establishment
Elizabeth Warren - only one besides the two above with near universal name recognition, underrated charisma and established ability to fundraise with individual donors, woman and progressive which doubly fits the current zeitgeist, Pocahontas thing is overrated, would have some establishment support but not from a lot of key donors

Should be taken very, very seriously
Beto O'Rourke - people love this guy and he's the exact type of charismatic inspiring personality that would win the Democratic nom.  Fairly progressive.  Documented ability to raise with small donors, but not alienating to the establishment.  Would be knocked for lack of experience and losing by some, but young dem voters wouldn't care.  Starting to get some buzz nationally.
Kamala Harris - won statewide in California several times, would have the support of the establishment without being conservative, young and energetic, think her charisma and personal appeal is a little overrated, but it's better than most of the people below her on this list.  Not as much name rec as the people above her.  Crucially, California is an early state.

Unlikely to win
Cory Booker - charismatic, but also a goofy neoliberal fortune cookie, has fundraising potential, a profile
Sherrod Brown - I don't see him having a ton of establishment support or winning a Democratic primary, but he has his own undeniable brand of charisma
Kirsten Gillibrand - kind of phony/calculating, but not boring, middle of the road politically, large donor fundraising ability, political skills, persona non grata with Clintons
Amy Klobuchar - boring, not the type of person who wins Dem primaries, but has some political skills
Deval Patrick - too neoliberal, but could get shoved down our throats by Obamaworld, has large donor fundraising potential, charisma

It's not inconceivable that they could win, but it's so unlikely, in alphabetical order
Hillary Clinton - there is some bizarre, extremely unlikely scenario where enough of her loyalists vote for her in a crowded field with no clear frontrunner and she gets destroyed again in the general
Eric Garcetti - handsome mayor in a crowded field
Tulsi Gabbard - energetic, has appeal among internet progressives, but her handful of extreme right-wing positions/record would get her into trouble
Jeff Merkley - would be crowded out by fellow progressives
Tom Steyer - he doesn't have the same baggage/right-wing ideology that Bloomberg and Schultz have, and could presumably buy his way to some success, but he's a billionaire with no political skills

Literally 0% chance of winning the nomination:
Michael Avenatti - this isn't the type of celebrity nonpolitician that could win with Democratic primary voters.  No political connections for fundraising
Michael Bloomberg - too many skeletons, too conservative
Julian Castro - total empty suit in a crowded field
John Delaney - too moderate, too uncharismatic, nobody knows who the hell he is, no fundraising potential
John Hickenlooper - right-wing/out of touch with zeitgeist, crooked, took his mom to a porn theater
Eric Holder - could gain traction in Obamaworld but lacks political skills
Terry McCauliffe - fundraising conservative slimeball
Martin O'Malley - too moderate, already a laughingstock, the wire, sounds like a fortune cookie
Howard Schultz - no political skills, too many skeletons, too conservative

Would have a great chance if they ran but thankfully won't run:  Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama

Booker I'd say is more inauthentic than Gillibrand. Gillibrand is oppotunistic. Hillary Clinton should't be on the list. She is finished.
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« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2018, 10:25:01 pm »

1. Kyrsten Sinema
2. Neil Abercrombie
3. Joe Lieberman
4. Christine Gregoire
5. Tulsi Gabbard
6. Bobby Rush
7. Cheri Bustos
8. Mark Zuckerberg
9. Jon Tester
10. Elizabeth Warren
11. Sherrod Brown
12. Andrew Gillum
13. Joe Biden
14. Chris Murphy
15. Beto O'Rourke

This is a joke, right?

Ach, you're right; I forgot Bob Menendez.
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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2018, 12:10:18 am »

Ach, you're right; I forgot Bob Menendez.

Bob Menendez / Alcee Hastings : swamp the drain
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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2018, 12:12:33 am »

Avenatti has a serious chance, in my opinion.  More so than Deval Patrick.  Deval Patrick will certainly not be the Democratic nominee.
LOL after the Kavanaugh debacle, Avenatti won't be taken seriously by anyone.
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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2018, 07:19:42 am »

1-8 looks about right, and I think they're the only candidates who have a serious shot of winning the Democratic primaries, along with maybe Klobuchar.
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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2018, 03:00:19 pm »

This is for winning the Democratic primary, not the general election.

Tippy top contenders, in order
Joe Biden - failed over and over again running for President, too conservative, #MeToo, and a gaffe machine, but has enormous name recognition and goodwill with Obama voters and, importantly, Obamaworld connections + media loves him
Bernie Sanders - extreme charisma, name recognition, fundraising ability with individual donors, arguably the current leader of the Democratic party, fits the policy zeitgeist, would face the opposition of the establishment
Elizabeth Warren - only one besides the two above with near universal name recognition, underrated charisma and established ability to fundraise with individual donors, woman and progressive which doubly fits the current zeitgeist, Pocahontas thing is overrated, would have some establishment support but not from a lot of key donors

Should be taken very, very seriously
Beto O'Rourke - people love this guy and he's the exact type of charismatic inspiring personality that would win the Democratic nom.  Fairly progressive.  Documented ability to raise with small donors, but not alienating to the establishment.  Would be knocked for lack of experience and losing by some, but young dem voters wouldn't care.  Starting to get some buzz nationally.
Kamala Harris - won statewide in California several times, would have the support of the establishment without being conservative, young and energetic, think her charisma and personal appeal is a little overrated, but it's better than most of the people below her on this list.  Not as much name rec as the people above her.  Crucially, California is an early state.

Unlikely to win
Cory Booker - charismatic, but also a goofy neoliberal fortune cookie, has fundraising potential, a profile
Sherrod Brown - I don't see him having a ton of establishment support or winning a Democratic primary, but he has his own undeniable brand of charisma
Kirsten Gillibrand - kind of phony/calculating, but not boring, middle of the road politically, large donor fundraising ability, political skills, persona non grata with Clintons
Amy Klobuchar - boring, not the type of person who wins Dem primaries, but has some political skills
Deval Patrick - too neoliberal, but could get shoved down our throats by Obamaworld, has large donor fundraising potential, charisma

It's not inconceivable that they could win, but it's absurdly unlikely, in alphabetical order
Hillary Clinton - there is some bizarre, extremely unlikely scenario where enough of her loyalists vote for her in a crowded field with no clear frontrunner and she gets destroyed again in the general
Andrew Cuomo - a crooked right wing a-hole that perennially faces primary challenges, but has large donors and has won statewide in new York, a famous name
Eric Garcetti - handsome mayor in a crowded field
Tulsi Gabbard - energetic, has appeal among internet progressives, but her handful of extreme right-wing positions/record would get her into trouble
Joe Kennedy III - charismatic, a famous name, but WAY too young
Jeff Merkley - would be crowded out by fellow progressives
Tom Steyer - he doesn't have the same baggage/right-wing ideology that Bloomberg and Schultz have, and could presumably buy his way to some success, but he's a billionaire with no political skills

Literally 0% chance of winning the nomination:
Michael Avenatti - this isn't the type of celebrity nonpolitician that could win with Democratic primary voters.  No political connections for fundraising
Michael Bloomberg - too many skeletons, too conservative
Julian Castro - total empty suit in a crowded field
John Delaney - too moderate, too uncharismatic, nobody knows who the hell he is, no fundraising potential
John Hickenlooper - right-wing/out of touch with zeitgeist, crooked, took his mom to a porn theater
Eric Holder - could gain traction in Obamaworld but lacks political skills
Terry McCauliffe - fundraising conservative slimeball
Martin O'Malley - too moderate, already a laughingstock, the wire, sounds like a fortune cookie
Howard Schultz - no political skills, too many skeletons, too conservative

Would have a great chance if they ran but thankfully won't run:  Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama

Better analysis than the Washington Post, honestly.
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