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« Reply #325 on: November 28, 2018, 01:09:52 PM »

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« Reply #326 on: November 28, 2018, 01:11:17 PM »

I can see Jeffries being Speaker in the near future maybe even a couple years from now.

He and Ben Ray Lujan look like the early frontrunners.
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« Reply #327 on: November 28, 2018, 01:12:09 PM »

Sounds like she is supporting the measure that a bill that has 290 co-sponsors would get a vote on the floor. Which would mean, if it's a 235-200 Democratic majority, it would require 100% of Republicans and 38% of Democrats to get a bill on the floor. Also will allow for votes on amendments if there are 20 co-sponsors from each party.

So if a bill has 289 co-sponsors, it cannot be brought to the floor?
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« Reply #328 on: November 28, 2018, 01:13:25 PM »

Sounds like she is supporting the measure that a bill that has 290 co-sponsors would get a vote on the floor. Which would mean, if it's a 235-200 Democratic majority, it would require 100% of Republicans and 38% of Democrats to get a bill on the floor. Also will allow for votes on amendments if there are 20 co-sponsors from each party.

So if a bill has 289 co-sponsors, it cannot be brought to the floor?

Pelosi would be able to bring up any bill she wants, this just would just mandate that any bill with 290 co-sponsors be given a vote.
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« Reply #329 on: November 28, 2018, 01:13:50 PM »

Sounds like she is supporting the measure that a bill that has 290 co-sponsors would get a vote on the floor. Which would mean, if it's a 235-200 Democratic majority, it would require 100% of Republicans and 38% of Democrats to get a bill on the floor. Also will allow for votes on amendments if there are 20 co-sponsors from each party.

So if a bill has 289 co-sponsors, it cannot be brought to the floor?

It minimizes the Hastert rule. If 218 democrats want it Pelosi brings it to the floor even if 0 GOP members want it.
Previously even if 200 GOP and 117 dems want it and the 118 dems dont then Pelosi wouldnt bring it
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« Reply #330 on: November 28, 2018, 01:15:56 PM »

Sounds like she is supporting the measure that a bill that has 290 co-sponsors would get a vote on the floor. Which would mean, if it's a 235-200 Democratic majority, it would require 100% of Republicans and 38% of Democrats to get a bill on the floor. Also will allow for votes on amendments if there are 20 co-sponsors from each party.

So if a bill has 289 co-sponsors, it cannot be brought to the floor?

It minimizes the Hastert rule. If 218 democrats want it Pelosi brings it to the floor even if 0 GOP members want it.
Previously even if 200 GOP and 117 dems want it and the 118 dems dont then Pelosi wouldnt bring it

Couldn’t they do a discharge petition anyway?
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« Reply #331 on: November 28, 2018, 01:17:24 PM »

Sounds like she is supporting the measure that a bill that has 290 co-sponsors would get a vote on the floor. Which would mean, if it's a 235-200 Democratic majority, it would require 100% of Republicans and 38% of Democrats to get a bill on the floor. Also will allow for votes on amendments if there are 20 co-sponsors from each party.

So if a bill has 289 co-sponsors, it cannot be brought to the floor?

It minimizes the Hastert rule. If 218 democrats want it Pelosi brings it to the floor even if 0 GOP members want it.
Previously even if 200 GOP and 117 dems want it and the 118 dems dont then Pelosi wouldnt bring it

Couldn’t they do a discharge petition anyway?

they could but discharge petitions rarely happen. This makes it much easier. Anyway its highly unlikely any bill that the GOP Fully supports would only get 40% of the dem caucus and it would probably reach 50 anyway.
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« Reply #332 on: November 28, 2018, 01:21:15 PM »

I can see Jeffries being Speaker in the near future maybe even a couple years from now.

I agree. He's great and has a bright future. "A few years" might be too soon - Steny Hoyer will probably get a brief period as either Speaker or Minority Leader after Pelosi retires - but he'll get it eventually. It was a huge downgrade in representation for me when I moved out of Jeffries's district and into Yvette Clarke's.
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« Reply #333 on: November 28, 2018, 01:22:13 PM »

Okay so this is basically worthless since House Dems usually don’t break with the GOP as often as they do in the Senate.
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« Reply #334 on: November 28, 2018, 01:24:35 PM »

Okay so this is basically worthless since House Dems usually don’t break with the GOP as often as they do in the Senate.

Another Day for The Problem Solver Caucus
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« Reply #335 on: November 28, 2018, 01:26:29 PM »

I can see Jeffries being Speaker in the near future maybe even a couple years from now.

He and Ben Ray Lujan look like the early frontrunners.

I don't think Lujan is a serious contender for Speaker tbh (whether he realizes it or not) and while Jeffries was a better pick than Lee for Conference Chair, one can only pray that a charter school hack like him won't be able to rise any higher than that in leadership.  Honestly, Schiff would be my first choice to be Speaker after Pelosi since he's not too old, a reliable liberal, an excellent attack dog, and would generally do a great job, but that may not be in the cards.  Anyway, we've probably still got some time before it makes sense to start talking about a replacement for Pelosi.
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« Reply #336 on: November 28, 2018, 01:29:17 PM »

I can see Jeffries being Speaker in the near future maybe even a couple years from now.

He and Ben Ray Lujan look like the early frontrunners.

I don't think Lujan is a serious contender for Speaker tbh (whether he realizes it or not) and while Jeffries was a better pick than Lee for Conference Chair, one can only pray that a charter school hack like him won't be able to rise any higher than that in leadership.  Honestly, Schiff would be my first choice to be Speaker after Pelosi since he's not too old, a reliable liberal, an excellent attack dog, and would generally do a great job, but that may not be in the cards.  Anyway, we've probably still got some time before it makes sense to start talking about a replacement for Pelosi.

Schiff always seemed like Pelosi's personal pick, imo, should she ever retire (and, unfortunately, she doesn't seem like  she plans on retiring one day).
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« Reply #337 on: November 28, 2018, 01:34:00 PM »

I was hoping Pelosi wouldnt bother with the Problem Solvers, but oh well.

And also I get the anger, Barbara was more to the Left than Jeffries, especially on stuff like Charter Schools and War, but I really dont see anything to get angered about. It was a Progressive vs a slightly more Progressive.

Some leftists want nothing short of complete purity.
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« Reply #338 on: November 28, 2018, 01:39:04 PM »
« Edited: November 28, 2018, 01:55:35 PM by Former Kentuckian »

I was hoping Pelosi wouldnt bother with the Problem Solvers, but oh well.

And also I get the anger, Barbara was more to the Left than Jeffries, especially on stuff like Charter Schools and War, but I really dont see anything to get angered about. It was a Progressive vs a slightly more Progressive.

Some leftists want nothing short of complete purity.

I don't think it's fair to boil down people's problems with Jeffries down to a traditional "left" vs "center-left" argument. Jeffries and Lee, as others have said, are nearly identical on most things, but people's criticism of Jeffries's stance on public education and private education/charter schools is valid. After all, this is a guy who answered "crushing burden" of private religious education costs when asked what his most important concerns were when he ran for Congress (source: https://archive.is/20130130095937/http://fort-greene.thelocal.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/the-big-profile-who-is-hakeem-jeffries/). I personally have no problems with Jeffries, but I understand why people wanted Lee over him and we do need to know Democratic leaders will support public education.
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« Reply #339 on: November 28, 2018, 01:42:59 PM »

He used to be a corporate lawyer ffs

Anyone who actually wants any progressive change in the Democratic Party cannot be happy with this.
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« Reply #340 on: November 28, 2018, 01:47:17 PM »
« Edited: November 28, 2018, 01:50:35 PM by Senator Zaybay »

He used to be a corporate lawyer ffs

Anyone who actually wants any progressive change in the Democratic Party cannot be happy with this.

Eh, I wouldnt be too worried about it. The guy is on the Left of the party(except for Charter Schools and War), so its still a Leftward shift, its just not a larger shift than it could have been.

Besides, the CPC clearly won 2018, and even the Blue Dogs and New Dems are moving Left. Perhaps all the leadership will be CPC in 2 years. Overall, still a positive step(remember, Crowley was the one to occupy it beforehand).
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« Reply #341 on: November 28, 2018, 01:57:31 PM »

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« Reply #342 on: November 28, 2018, 01:59:46 PM »

1 and 3 are fine, I hate 2.
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« Reply #343 on: November 28, 2018, 02:03:24 PM »

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« Reply #344 on: November 28, 2018, 02:04:40 PM »

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« Reply #345 on: November 28, 2018, 02:07:05 PM »

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« Reply #346 on: November 28, 2018, 02:09:19 PM »

These rules will be scrapped anyway if Democrats take the trifecta in 2020 or Republicans retake the House.
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« Reply #347 on: November 28, 2018, 02:11:07 PM »



I'd say Pelosi gets 220-something votes.

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« Reply #348 on: November 28, 2018, 02:15:44 PM »



I'd say Pelosi gets 220-something votes.




Agreed, I think the deal with the Problem Solver Caucus was probably the last step.
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« Reply #349 on: November 28, 2018, 02:16:03 PM »

Go Pelosi.
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