MA SEN 2020: BAKER CONSIDERING CHALLENGING MARKEY (Herald speculation)

[KingSweden]

Say hello to Bill Weld 2.0.

[Free Bird]

Nope

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_politics/2018/11/charlie_baker_absolutely_staying_put

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Glad to see this.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

Nope

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_politics/2018/11/charlie_baker_absolutely_staying_put

That was a week ago, this is now.

[Canis]

Nope

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_politics/2018/11/charlie_baker_absolutely_staying_put

That was a week ago, this is now.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

This is exactly why I was disgusted by how many Democrats were supporting Baker.

Yet, I got castigated for saying that.

[MillennialModerate]

This is exactly why I was disgusted by how many Democrats were supporting Baker.

Yet, I got castigated for saying that.

I’d be quite the hypocrite if I said Tennessee was the most pathetic state in the nation for spitting out a blowout win for partisan swamp hack Blackburn against qualified, proven, reasonable, classy Bredesen - and then I didn’t support a reasonable moderate Governor who has a done a good job in most areas - against a hyper partisan Dem who in debates spit out the reverse of the same tired “tie them to Washington” lines that Blackburn did.

[Devout Centrist]

Wow, gee, I've never seen a Republican Governor from Massachusetts try that before.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

This is exactly why I was disgusted by how many Democrats were supporting Baker.

Yet, I got castigated for saying that.

I’d be quite the hypocrite if I said Tennessee was the most pathetic state in the nation for spitting out a blowout win for partisan swamp hack Blackburn against qualified, proven, reasonable, classy Bredesen - and then I didn’t support a reasonable moderate Governor who has a done a good job in most areas - against a hyper partisan Dem who in debates spit out the reverse of the same tired “tie them to Washington” lines that Blackburn did.

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This is exactly why I was disgusted by how many Democrats were supporting Baker.

Yet, I got castigated for saying that.

I’d be quite the hypocrite if I said Tennessee was the most pathetic state in the nation for spitting out a blowout win for partisan swamp hack Blackburn against qualified, proven, reasonable, classy Bredesen - and then I didn’t support a reasonable moderate Governor who has a done a good job in most areas - against a hyper partisan Dem who in debates spit out the reverse of the same tired “tie them to Washington” lines that Blackburn did.

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

Yes, the void was left once Teddy Kennedy died. Dems were left with Martha Coakly and she lost two statewide offices

[TheSaint250]

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

I agree. How else can we say that Republicans lost all their moderates if we don't defeat them when they can be defeated?

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

I agree. How else can we say that Republicans lost all their moderates if we don't defeat them when they can be defeated?

Republicans like Charlie Baker are rare in the GOP today regardless.

Also, if he were in the Senate he would still vote about 90% along party lines.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Just because he is a popular Governor doesn't mean that this is a good move on his part. Markey would almost definitely defeat him, especially in a presidential year. It's true that sitting Governors have had success recently with challenging Senate incumbents, but those Governors' terms usually expire by the next January. If he wants to do this and possibly pointlessly abandon his post as a popular Governor and lose any of the good will that he cultivated over the years out of a sense of blind ambition, that's his prerogative.

[TheSaint250]

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

I agree. How else can we say that Republicans lost all their moderates if we don't defeat them when they can be defeated?

Republicans like Charlie Baker are rare in the GOP today regardless.

Also, if he were in the Senate he would still vote about 90% along party lines.

Whatever you say.

Doesn't change the main point, especially since your latter ain't true.

[MAINEiac4434]

Can't wait to watch Charlie Baker lose every county in a 60-40 Markslide.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

I agree. How else can we say that Republicans lost all their moderates if we don't defeat them when they can be defeated?

Republicans like Charlie Baker are rare in the GOP today regardless.

Also, if he were in the Senate he would still vote about 90% along party lines.

Whatever you say.

Doesn't change the main point, especially since your latter ain't true.

Rob Portman, one of the "moderate" Republicans in the Senate and he still votes almost 94% along with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/rob-portman/

Todd Young, another "moderate" Repub that votes almost 94% with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/todd-young/

[MAINEiac4434]

Kerry is going to get slaughtered if Weld runs. Don't underestimate Weld, he is probably one of, if not the strongest candidate of either party.

[Ye We Can]

Can't wait to watch Charlie Baker lose every county in a 60-40 Markslide.

Lol if Warren couldn't win every county against Diehl Market wouldn't against Baker

[Alabama_Indy10]

Don't do it Charlie. It would be VERY hard for him to win a senate race.

[TheSaint250]

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

I agree. How else can we say that Republicans lost all their moderates if we don't defeat them when they can be defeated?

Republicans like Charlie Baker are rare in the GOP today regardless.

Also, if he were in the Senate he would still vote about 90% along party lines.

Whatever you say.

Doesn't change the main point, especially since your latter ain't true.

Rob Portman, one of the "moderate" Republicans in the Senate and he still votes almost 94% along with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/rob-portman/

Todd Young, another "moderate" Repub that votes almost 94% with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/todd-young/

Neither are moderate imo. Wouldn't really have considered them that prior to Trump's inauguration anyway.

[lfromnj]

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

I agree. How else can we say that Republicans lost all their moderates if we don't defeat them when they can be defeated?

Republicans like Charlie Baker are rare in the GOP today regardless.

Also, if he were in the Senate he would still vote about 90% along party lines.

Whatever you say.

Doesn't change the main point, especially since your latter ain't true.

Rob Portman, one of the "moderate" Republicans in the Senate and he still votes almost 94% along with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/rob-portman/

Todd Young, another "moderate" Repub that votes almost 94% with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/todd-young/

that trump socre is a bad way to measure something imo.
the most moderate republican is rand paul my ass.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

I agree. How else can we say that Republicans lost all their moderates if we don't defeat them when they can be defeated?

Republicans like Charlie Baker are rare in the GOP today regardless.

Also, if he were in the Senate he would still vote about 90% along party lines.

Whatever you say.

Doesn't change the main point, especially since your latter ain't true.

Rob Portman, one of the "moderate" Republicans in the Senate and he still votes almost 94% along with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/rob-portman/

Todd Young, another "moderate" Repub that votes almost 94% with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/todd-young/

Neither are moderate imo. Wouldn't really have considered them that prior to Trump's inauguration anyway.

Exactly, you have proved my pont. Have a good day.

Next!

[Brittain33]

He should try, seriously. Iirc he is term-limited in 2022, and MA has a huge Democratic majority so it's not like he's got anything to lose. I'd just give Baker a free pass to say and do anything he deems necessary to win in the campaign (even if it means distancing from Trump) because he's going to be better than anything that comes out of MA. It'll already be a success if Baker manages to become a lighting rod for Democratic money, he likely won't win but atleast the Democrats would have to waste some sorely needed resources on MA. And if he somehow seriously manages to win this we can start talking about 2024 .

He does have something to lose. He’d lose the chance to serve as a uniting governor between now and the election. A big chunk of his support evaporates the moment he declares.

[TheSaint250]

How about stop electing moderate Repubs statewide in the first place?

There's plenty of non-"hyper partisan" Dems that could have been elected Governor in Massachusetts.

I agree. How else can we say that Republicans lost all their moderates if we don't defeat them when they can be defeated?

Republicans like Charlie Baker are rare in the GOP today regardless.

Also, if he were in the Senate he would still vote about 90% along party lines.

Whatever you say.

Doesn't change the main point, especially since your latter ain't true.

Rob Portman, one of the "moderate" Republicans in the Senate and he still votes almost 94% along with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/rob-portman/

Todd Young, another "moderate" Repub that votes almost 94% with Trump.

SOURCE: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/todd-young/

Neither are moderate imo. Wouldn't really have considered them that prior to Trump's inauguration anyway.

Exactly, you have proved my pont. Have a good day.

Next!

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Yeah, I'm saying they're not moderate, and they never should be/have been considered as such (in fact, I can't think of anyone outside of Atlas who would). Baker, however, has proven himself to be one. If we're using the Trump score still, then Murkowski and Collins, widely regarded as moderates who have acted in a more conservative manner than Baker, are around 75%. Baker would obviously be lower, especially representing a blue state.

Then again, the point is irrelevant. Republicans and Democrats, no matter how much they claim to appreciate seeing their opposing parties elect moderates, rarely jump at the opportunity. If moderate Bob Hugin couldn't win against a corrupt senator, then Baker sure as heck won't win. Shame, too, since Baker would be a great senator.

Long live the true moderates, and may both parties one day become led by them.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

The crazy part is that he probably has a higher chance of unseating Markey than Trump has of winning re-election.