Support for Trump Fading in the Military

[Frodo]

It's from last month, but it doesn't seem anyone here posted the article:

Support for Trump is fading among active-duty troops, new poll shows

WASHINGTON —

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The military seems to have caught up to the public at large. 

[Progressive Pessimist]

Good, maybe they're recognizing that he actually has no respect for them. But I'll believe this more when a plurality of them vote for a Democratic President.

[forgotten manatee]

When is the president going to visit a war zone? He has yet to show up in Afghanistan..

[The Dowager Mod]

6000 of whom are missing thanksgiving with their families because the orange idiot needed a wedge issue.

[pbrower2a]

It could also be that military personnel tend to dislike one of the most dangerous traits in a civilian leader: recklessness.  Reckless brings about ill-conceived, badly-conducted wars .

[ProudModerate2]

It could also be that military personnel tend to dislike one of the most dangerous traits in a civilian leader: recklessness.  Reckless brings about ill-conceived, badly-conducted wars .

... Which leads to soldiers fighting and dying.
Very good point by pbower2a.

[ProudModerate2]

If you click on the link in the OP, the article points to a continuous slide in active-duty support over the last two years. If the trend in the graph continues (at the same rate), then trump will be underwater before the/his next election, which will be HUGE ...

[NewYorkExpress]

Coup incoming?

[CookieDamage]

Coup incoming?

We haven't had one yet. We need to join the rest of the world and have one, specifically soon.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Coup incoming?

We haven't had one yet. We need to join the rest of the world and have one, specifically soon.

I have reported you to the FBI. Enjoy your new home in Mexico.

[pbrower2a]

If you click on the link in the OP, the article points to a continuous slide in active-duty support over the last two years. If the trend in the graph continues (at the same rate), then trump will be underwater before the/his next election, which will be HUGE ...

The graph with an unnecessarily truncated y-axis and meaningless decimal points does not help your case. Why are you posting it?

Even this dfference is on the edge of significance at best, and the article repeatedly points to meaningless differences as if their direction were important. Not much to be proud about in this observation, I'm afraid.

But it is in a critical zone. President Trump cannot expect the military to do his political dirty work on his behalf.  He is leaving the range in which he can count on the soldier vote to rescue him politically.

It also suggests that the President has little leeway for any War for Profit -- let us say taking over Cuba or Venezuela on behalf of American corporate interests. Trump behavior is getting erratic. The military culture may like the chest-pounding nationalism of Trump more than the subdued  nationalism of Barack Obama, and likes the provision of more materiel to the Armed Forces.

Still, who wants to die for Big Oil, big banks, or agribusiness corporations?

[Person Man]

If you click on the link in the OP, the article points to a continuous slide in active-duty support over the last two years. If the trend in the graph continues (at the same rate), then trump will be underwater before the/his next election, which will be HUGE ...

The graph with an unnecessarily truncated y-axis and meaningless decimal points does not help your case. Why are you posting it?

Even this dfference is on the edge of significance at best, and the article repeatedly points to meaningless differences as if their direction were important. Not much to be proud about in this observation, I'm afraid.

But it is in a critical zone. President Trump cannot expect the military to do his political dirty work on his behalf.  He is leaving the range in which he can count on the soldier vote to rescue him politically.

It also suggests that the President has little leeway for any War for Profit -- let us say taking over Cuba or Venezuela on behalf of American corporate interests. Trump behavior is getting erratic. The military culture may like the chest-pounding nationalism of Trump more than the subdued  nationalism of Barack Obama, and likes the provision of more materiel to the Armed Forces.

Still, who wants to die for Big Oil, big banks, or agribusiness corporations?

Not really. Adjusted to inflation the DoD gets about what its been getting under Obama. In fact before Obama had to play chicken with the House "Freedom" Caucus, is trifecta spent more on the military in gross dollars than Trump's trifecta.

[Hydera]

If you click on the link in the OP, the article points to a continuous slide in active-duty support over the last two years. If the trend in the graph continues (at the same rate), then trump will be underwater before the/his next election, which will be HUGE ...

The graph with an unnecessarily truncated y-axis and meaningless decimal points does not help your case. Why are you posting it?

Even this dfference is on the edge of significance at best, and the article repeatedly points to meaningless differences as if their direction were important. Not much to be proud about in this observation, I'm afraid.

But it is in a critical zone. President Trump cannot expect the military to do his political dirty work on his behalf.  He is leaving the range in which he can count on the soldier vote to rescue him politically.

It also suggests that the President has little leeway for any War for Profit -- let us say taking over Cuba or Venezuela on behalf of American corporate interests. Trump behavior is getting erratic. The military culture may like the chest-pounding nationalism of Trump more than the subdued  nationalism of Barack Obama, and likes the provision of more materiel to the Armed Forces.

Still, who wants to die for Big Oil, big banks, or agribusiness corporations?

Not really. Adjusted to inflation the DoD gets about what its been getting under Obama. In fact before Obama had to play chicken with the House "Freedom" Caucus, is trifecta spent more on the military in gross dollars than Trump's trifecta.

Its funny how many rightwing military vets and personnel repeated rightwing talking points about the debt and deficit when Obama was in power and now Trump is president they dont give a sh**t anymore. Meanwhile the Iraq War costed the US, trillions. Directly contributing tk the debt and deficit along with other useless spending for the military but they always say the government shouldnt cut military spending but food stamps and medicaid and etc.

[Person Man]

If you click on the link in the OP, the article points to a continuous slide in active-duty support over the last two years. If the trend in the graph continues (at the same rate), then trump will be underwater before the/his next election, which will be HUGE ...

The graph with an unnecessarily truncated y-axis and meaningless decimal points does not help your case. Why are you posting it?

Even this dfference is on the edge of significance at best, and the article repeatedly points to meaningless differences as if their direction were important. Not much to be proud about in this observation, I'm afraid.

But it is in a critical zone. President Trump cannot expect the military to do his political dirty work on his behalf.  He is leaving the range in which he can count on the soldier vote to rescue him politically.

It also suggests that the President has little leeway for any War for Profit -- let us say taking over Cuba or Venezuela on behalf of American corporate interests. Trump behavior is getting erratic. The military culture may like the chest-pounding nationalism of Trump more than the subdued  nationalism of Barack Obama, and likes the provision of more materiel to the Armed Forces.

Still, who wants to die for Big Oil, big banks, or agribusiness corporations?

Not really. Adjusted to inflation the DoD gets about what its been getting under Obama. In fact before Obama had to play chicken with the House "Freedom" Caucus, is trifecta spent more on the military in gross dollars than Trump's trifecta.

Its funny how many rightwing military vets and personnel repeated rightwing talking points about the debt and deficit when Obama was in power and now Trump is president they dont give a sh**t anymore. Meanwhile the Iraq War costed the US, trillions. Directly contributing tk the debt and deficit along with other useless spending for the military but they always say the government shouldnt cut military spending but food stamps and medicaid and etc.

Because deficits don't matter anymore?

[KingSweden]

Coup incoming?

We haven't had one yet. We need to join the rest of the world and have one, specifically soon.

Dude

[ProudModerate2]

If you click on the link in the OP, the article points to a continuous slide in active-duty support over the last two years. If the trend in the graph continues (at the same rate), then trump will be underwater before the/his next election, which will be HUGE ...

The graph with an unnecessarily truncated y-axis and meaningless decimal points does not help your case. Why are you posting it?

Even this dfference is on the edge of significance at best, and the article repeatedly points to meaningless differences as if their direction were important. Not much to be proud about in this observation, I'm afraid.

"Truncated y-axis" and "meaningless decimal points," is that really what you are concentrating on? Sounds like a diversion tactic of words that isn't working.

"Why am I posting it?" you ask. Well if you bothered to read my comment, you will see that the main point I pointed to is that if the trend continues at the same pace, over the same time period, trump's support here will be underwater in 2020 and will be a huge reversal to where he stood in 2016. It's really a rather simple observation from the graph.

[ProudModerate2]

No, but from the observation of your "points" (if you want to call it that), we know you were.

[Badger]

If you click on the link in the OP, the article points to a continuous slide in active-duty support over the last two years. If the trend in the graph continues (at the same rate), then trump will be underwater before the/his next election, which will be HUGE ...

The graph with an unnecessarily truncated y-axis and meaningless decimal points does not help your case. Why are you posting it?

Even this dfference is on the edge of significance at best, and the article repeatedly points to meaningless differences as if their direction were important. Not much to be proud about in this observation, I'm afraid.

Look, MAYBE tbe tbread could be better titled "Disapproval of Trump growing in military", but you are being pedantic in claiming a story showing Trump's support among the military dropping from plus 9 to Eve, as somehow misleading.

[Badger]

If you click on the link in the OP, the article points to a continuous slide in active-duty support over the last two years. If the trend in the graph continues (at the same rate), then trump will be underwater before the/his next election, which will be HUGE ...

The graph with an unnecessarily truncated y-axis and meaningless decimal points does not help your case. Why are you posting it?

Even this dfference is on the edge of significance at best, and the article repeatedly points to meaningless differences as if their direction were important. Not much to be proud about in this observation, I'm afraid.

Look, MAYBE tbe tbread could be better titled "Disapproval of Trump growing in military", but you are being pedantic in claiming a story showing Trump's support among the military dropping from plus 9 to Eve, as somehow misleading.

The entire story is a classic example of lazy and statistically illiterate reporting on public polling. Almost every detail abour it gets something wrong. It's not strong evidence, and it doesn't justify the grand narrative presented here.

It is a statistical change well I side m o e, and likely outside of random noise. You're really taking this too seriously

[Technocracy Timmy]

Guarantee this is mostly due to officers rather than enlisted.

Yeah the smarter guys in the service probably turned on Trump first (officers, intel, Air Force, etc).

As Averroes also pointed out, this could easily be statistical noise at worst and is a very minor shift at best.

[All Along The Watchtower]

"Poll finds neutral views of Trump's Presidency fading within the active-duty military while support remains steady, on par with the general population; troops give Trump more favorable reviews than Obama on military matters; crosstabs reveal race, gender divisions in levels of support for Trump, reflecting divisions within the general population"

[The Dowager Mod]

The F*****g coward is afraid to visit the troops.
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-reportedly-afraid-visit-troops-combat-zone

"Trump has spoken privately about his fears over risks to his own life, according to a former senior White House official."

[Statilius the Epicurean]

"Poll of active duty Military Times readers" - so maybe like 10% of enlisted servicemen?

[Progressive Pessimist]

The F*****g coward is afraid to visit the troops.
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-reportedly-afraid-visit-troops-combat-zone

"Trump has spoken privately about his fears over risks to his own life, according to a former senior White House official."

To be fair to Trump, maybe he just doesn't want to go because it's raining outside.

[completely dead account]

The military has always been GOP leaning, but it's nice to know a lot of the conservative veterans are now understanding Trump isn't exactly a good Republican. I like the conservatives out there who base their opinions off of actual conservatism values. Trump is not one of them.