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« Reply #75 on: November 21, 2018, 08:42:30 pm »

Strawmanning + moving the goalposts (your initial claim was that I don't support right-wing populists in NL) + a stunning lack of historical knowledge (Nazis never quite concealed their antisemitism).
I assumed you supported PM Rutte and the VVD.


Friend, look at history. It is not disputed that when classical conservatives started saying that Germany needs to cleanse itself of immoral elements, that atmosphere led to the rise of the Nazi Party . When the dog whistles were taken down, the most anti-semetic of them won.
That environment of condemnation against inner enemies, and support of making the country purged of bad influences, will always lead to attacks against those who were always hated by the far right.

They are going to come after you. Maybe you can say you believed in the right things and was a model citizen in their eyes, but that didn’t help German-Jewish Veterans from WW1.

When did the German pre-Hitler nationalist right use dog whistles against Jews as opposed to just saying it straight out?  
This was a 1919 poster from the DNVP - the largest German party on the right for most the Weimar period (note Nazis weren't the first ones to use the swastika)

Admittedly I’m getting this from an article from a Weimar era Christian Party not hating Jews explicitly, but condemning them for bringing in ill. There is also the railings of liberal values by the Junckers, guess who was blamed in secret for spreading them.

Also on “goysplaining”-My god, you sound exactly like when Charles Taylor and Robert Mugabe condemned imperialism for when they were ethnically cleansing their countries. You can’t copyright history.
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« Reply #76 on: November 21, 2018, 09:30:27 pm »

Arguably the most knowledgeable person on the forum, but he advocates for some utterly repugnant things and people.
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« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2018, 11:59:23 pm »

People react to their team losing in different ways. David chose to join the other side and just sh*tpost

To be fair, didn’t you and SJoyce make the same decision?
Sorta, I suppose
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« Reply #78 on: November 22, 2018, 12:01:16 am »

People react to their team losing in different ways. David chose to join the other side and just sh*tpost

To be fair, didn’t you and SJoyce make the same decision?
Sorta, I suppose

I’d actually been meaning to somehow call SJoyce out for a while, you just got caught in a convenient situation. Tongue
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« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2018, 06:42:13 am »

Oh, he supports Bolsonaro? Good God.

No wonder Israel is loathed around the world.
There might be plenty of (mostly made-up) reasons why Israel is disliked, but I'm pretty sure the opinions of one random Jewish guy in the Netherlands who doesn't hold Israeli citizenship aren't among these reasons.

I'm even more sure that Bolsonaro isn't a reason some don't care for Israeli policies.
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« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2018, 08:42:32 am »

Attention seeker who posts what he posts for threads like this.
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« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2018, 10:06:15 am »

Attention seeker who posts what he posts for threads like this.
Will you believe this is the first Opinion of DavidB thread? According to your theory this clearly has to be the happiest day in my life since the moment I created my account. But it's rather underwhelming, I have to say, which may disprove your theory...
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« Reply #82 on: November 22, 2018, 01:08:22 pm »

FF (in general and on immigration, => not naive).

A bit too right-wing/nationalist on other issues though.
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« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2018, 04:00:37 pm »

As a poster he is fine so I guess lean FF. Massive HP politics though.
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« Reply #84 on: November 22, 2018, 05:31:05 pm »

Anyone involved in denouncing Corbyn's anti-semitism is an automatic FF.

He's pretty far to my right and I disagree with him on some things, but he's a massive FF and one of the best posters on this forum's right flank.
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« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2018, 06:09:40 pm »

He's a very smart guy. However, he has the small problem of being f**king insane. I like to think of him as the bad Sunrise. HP.
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« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2018, 07:11:25 pm »

He's a very smart guy. However, he has the small problem of being f**king insane. I like to think of him as the bad Sunrise. HP.

I talk with him regularly, and I can guarantee you he's not insane.

He makes me think a lot about Charles Maurras. Maurras was a very smart guy and he developed completely extremist theories. And his reasoning made sense. However, that was the hypothesis of his model that were absolutely false, so any thoughts he could have ended up being very wrong even if there wasn't a problem with logic.
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« Reply #87 on: November 23, 2018, 12:46:17 am »

Do you really want to know what I think? Alas, you will ban me if I say it.
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« Reply #88 on: November 23, 2018, 01:24:59 am »

Endorses terrorism, so... not good.


Total and utterly disgusting personal attack and slander against David.



Not to mention that the personal attack came from a Massive HP.

DavidB, of course, is a Massive FF. 

By the way, Zionism is not Racism, and people who disagree can pound salt as far as I'm concerned.

Joe Republic an HP??

Go wash your mouth out with soap. Besides, if you saw his reply to osrs post that you so quickly piggyback Don, you will know he is absolutely correct. That is unless you are a huge supporter of the King David Hotel bombing as well. Who would Jesus bomb??

In regards to the Opie, I just can't take his hypocrisy. His islamophobia and opposition to a Palestinian state or further Islamic immigration - or likely any immigration - to Europe is so strong he wholeheartedly supports far far right extremists, as in the type of folks who have about a 1 and 3 chance of having a secret collection of Nazi memorabilia, and about a one-in-five chance of being more than willing curb stomp him into the emergency Ward because he's Jewish.

Well, I guess it's not just the hypocrisy, but support for that type of all right extremism in general. I don't care how much of a so-called nice guy one is, that's a disqualifier. I'd like to like him, but I'm sorry that's not just difference in politics.

Regarding the original poster?
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« Reply #89 on: November 23, 2018, 04:22:10 am »

We disagree on a lot, and agree on a bit, but what we agree on is usually the core, important issues of one's identity. He's also clearly a great guy personally. Massive FF.
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« Reply #90 on: November 23, 2018, 03:58:12 pm »

I'd say by Bolsonaro's own stated beliefs, he is a legitimate threat to the very idea of free and fair elections (or elections at all?) in Brazil, and supporting the idea of choosing your leaders should take precedent over a politician, no matter how many other favorable policies he dangles in one's face. And no, I don't think this is all hyperbole with him. Brazil doesn't have the most stable democracy as it is, and this guy hasn't been shy about what he wants. Plus, I don't get why anyone outside of BR would even want to publicly align with him. What good does that do?

All of this is to say that I really think right-leaning people (there are left-leaning examples too but the right's issues are more prominent atm) are sacrificing at times profound ethical and moral considerations to justify their support for politicians who they like or otherwise support other policies of. How much a person should excuse from their leaders in exchange for policy is a legitimate question of course, but one that is being answered these days in concerning ways.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Strawmanning left-wingers has allowed otherwise sane and likable people to support utterly repugnant people and policies with little consideration for moral consequences.
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« Reply #91 on: November 23, 2018, 06:23:07 pm »

I like him as a person, so it’s really going to be tragic when we are forced to fight to death in the coming global war between nationalists and feckless cosmopolitans. Sad
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« Reply #92 on: November 23, 2018, 07:12:25 pm »

I like him as a person, so it’s really going to be tragic when we are forced to fight to death in the coming global war between nationalists and feckless cosmopolitans. Sad

It is a choice what you like or dislike. If I were you, I would put a stop to this particular "liking". It would be best not to like whoever is goign to try to kill you.
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« Reply #93 on: November 23, 2018, 07:31:38 pm »

I like him as a person, so it’s really going to be tragic when we are forced to fight to death in the coming global war between nationalists and feckless cosmopolitans. Sad
"No more brother wars" includes sisters, imo
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« Reply #94 on: November 23, 2018, 07:40:13 pm »

Well he's Jewish with socialistic tendencies, he should really be:



but I suppose it doesn't matter given his residence.
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« Reply #95 on: November 24, 2018, 05:35:29 am »

Well he's Jewish with socialistic tendencies, he should really be:



but I suppose it doesn't matter given his residence.
Not really, because I would almost always vote GOP
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« Reply #96 on: November 24, 2018, 09:17:31 am »

Attention seeker who posts what he posts for threads like this.
Will you believe this is the first Opinion of DavidB thread? According to your theory this clearly has to be the happiest day in my life since the moment I created my account. But it's rather underwhelming, I have to say, which may disprove your theory...

Its the first dedicated thread, but there are numerous threads that start out on a topic and end up in a discussion of what your personal views really are and whether you are the victim of the left-wing pc brigade. Admittedly this isn't entirely your fault. But the whole novelty act of the gay Jewish anti-pc RRWP must be hard to ditch when there is so much attention afforded to it. Perhaps that's also the case irl.
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« Reply #97 on: November 24, 2018, 09:39:01 am »

Do we even agree on anything? I don’t know. Yet, I quite like the guy and think having some discussions with him would be insightful and interesting, even if frequently frustrating.

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« Reply #98 on: November 24, 2018, 01:00:16 pm »

I'm honestly kind of conflicted. On the one hand, his whole worldview is dramatically different from mine, but on the other hand it's one of those situations where the hyperbole from some of his critics makes me want to vote FF out of spite.
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« Reply #99 on: November 24, 2018, 03:32:13 pm »

Here's my revised, more nuanced opinion: I think David is a fundamentally good guy with serious and thoughtful views on most things and a fairly unique perspective, at least here - and at the same time, someone who trolls/triggers the libs too much.

Given that I too am guilty of trolling here, albeit from the "other side," I can empathize. Nevertheless, I will (try to) refrain from lame trolling, bad-faith criticism, and mean-spirited comments here, starting with DavidB. I will likely continue to "hate" his politics, but I won't hate him.

Best to you, David! Smiley
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