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« on: November 23, 2018, 04:25:54 pm »
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November 2018 Fremont Senate Debate

Hello and welcome to the Fremont Senate Debate for the upcoming elections starting on the 30th! This debate will consist of 3 rounds: Opening statements, questions and then rebuttals and closing statements.

Please welcome the candidates:
Former MP KoopaDaQuick
Incumbent Secretary of State Lumine
Nerd73
Former Senator and Speaker Pericles

Candidates, you have 24 hours to make your opening statements!

Note: Only the candidates can write here. If you want to comment, the commentary thread is here: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=307612.0
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2018, 05:07:58 pm »



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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2018, 09:27:28 pm »


Opening Remarks:

"Well, first of all I'd like to offer my thanks to our Debate Moderator, and to the candidates for attending this debate and doing their part to ensure we have an active, engaged and interesting race that can serve as somewhat of an antidote to these concerning times of cynicism and inactivity.

You know very well that for some time ago I've made a persistent case about the state of the nation and the problems it faces, and how we must do better as a nation, as citizens and as players on several different front. Rather that seeing that situation improve, it is not hard to show just how the problems of inactivity, Discord-mania and personality trumping all remain at an all time high post-reset, and how the particular institution all of us on this stage aspire to be a part of - the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia - is currently not working for the nation as it should.

As part of Congress the Senate has a crucial task to perform and its performance is very important for the efficiency of the federal government and to ensure Nyman is a place that serves as an example to the game. It cannot be that bills go for several weeks without debate. It cannot be that the rules are essentially ignored or sometimes thrown out the window. It cannot be that several Senators have had to resign or even face recalls from their own, justifiably outraged constituents because they're not doing their job. It cannot be that when we need institutions and officeholders that serve as a beacon of activity in these dark times the Senate is held up as an example of mediocrity. The status quo is not working.

And while there is no magic remedy to that, there are solutions and things to be done. The Senate, and by extension the Commonwealth of Fremont, requires leaders willing to stand up and step up, to bravely defend their views and more importantly their vision of what the nation and the game should be, to take advantage of their record and experience to better serve an institution in need of help and a region that needs a strong voice in Nyman prepared to fight for its many interests, and not lose itself in the corridors of power spending time and effort on Discord and not where the game is supposed to be played, the one place that all of our citizens can view and follow without being excluded.

Fremont needs a leader as its new Senator, a leader with a record, with a vision and with a commitment.

For the last three years I have had the privilege of serving first the old Pacific Region and now the Commonwealth of Fremont at the regional and federal level on several different offices, including two different terms in the Senate which while interrupted proved both productive and useful, and included a term as Princeps Senatus in which the Senate not only was run efficiently and properly, but which also saw a personal initiatives of mine in terms of rules reform and making it possible for unethical or inactive Senators to be censored. This is my region and it is where I want to be, and you can bet that unlike others, I will not parachute into another region to run for office elsewhere and abandon the people of the Commonwealth for the sake of ambition.

It is, of course, entirely up to you. But know this: I stand before you with a record which while not perfect has meant positive change for Fremont on Atlasia on issues that go from game reform to ethics, to foreign policy, to the environment, to fiscal responsibility and so on. I stand before you with enthusiasm and a renewed sense of purpose, wanting to serve and to provide the leadership we need now more than ever.

Thank you very much."
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2018, 09:44:32 pm »

Thank you thumb for moderating this debate, and thank you to the other candidates for participating in this debate. additionally, thank you to the voters of Fremont for listening to what we have to say. I'm very grateful that we have a debate like this, and it's a special thing that we can clearly present the choice in this election to voters and have an engaging campaign, which unfortunately is not always the case in Atlasia.

The choice this election is clear. Make no mistake, this election will have national ramifications. If either of my opponents are elected, there is a much greater chance of the President's progressive agenda being obstructed. We need a firmly progressive Senate to give the first proper left-wing government in years a chance to succeed. Inevitably, this cannot be expected to go off without a hitch. Yet, it would be a mistake to close the door on this opportunity we have right now. I'm asking you to send me to the Senate to get on with the job of passing into law wide-ranging progressive legislation.

I am dedicated to creating a fairer Atlasia that works for everyone. I firmly believe that everyone deserves the opportunity to succeed, and I am determined to remove the barriers that are holding back far too many of our citizens. My record shows I have already taken substantive measures in the past in line with these goals. I passed legislation through the House that expands the Child Tax Credit(CTC) and is estimated to halve child poverty in Atlasia-which is appallingly high right now. I managed to pass criminal justice reforms in the FAIR Act with bipartisan support and the signature of then-President North Carolina Yankee. I co-sponsored and helped pass the Let's Try This Act which helped keep guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals and terrorists, while projecting law abiding gun owners and getting wide-ranging support across party lines. These are just some of the examples of my record of actually making a positive difference in the lives of Fremontians. This is what I will continue to do in the Senate.

I'd like to add that we have a great opportunity to get a lot more positive stuff done now that we have the knowledge that there will be no Federalist President vetoing progressive legislation, and instead we have an eager signature in the White House. That said, progressive legislation won't be going to the White House if we don't have a Senate and Senators that stands up for the pressing needs of Fremontians, writes great legislation and then has the numbers to pass it.

However, I do understand that people also have other reasons for electing Senators asides from purely policy. Perhaps you'd like a progressive Senator but are concerned about activity and this idea that even if politicians make all these nice promises they can't be trusted to deliver on them. I understand that, and it's disappointing how throughout our government both at a regional and federal level we have seen instances of inactivity that let down the voters who elected these politicians to office(that said, in some cases this issue has been treated as an opportunity for political-point scoring). I can assure you, I have never been one of those inactive politicians and I'm not about to become one. I will be a very dedicated Senator to Fremont, and when I promise something you can expect me to be accountable and deliver on that promise.

You can believe me when I say this because of my record in office. I have had a stellar activity record, and I have consistently shown dedication to the office I hold. I recognize that when people elect you to an office they expect you to take it seriously. I can also work across party lines to write good legislation and get it passed into law. I am very qualified to serve, not only due to my previous Senate experience but also from my time in the Fremont House of Commons for 3 terms in total where I developed an understanding of the specific needs of our region, and from my experience as Speaker of the House-where I helped make that Congress the most productive Congress in history by far. So Fremontians can rest assured that I will be an effective champion of our region and deliver for them.

So let's not give into the negativity and pettiness of our politics. Let's take the opportunity we have right now to enact real positive change for Fremont and Atlasia. Let's elect a Senator who will deliver for Fremontians and can be trusted to make this region a better place. That is why I'm asking for your vote. So on November 30-December 2, if you remember one thing, it's that we need to move forwards not backwards, and I'm the candidate to make that happen.

Thank you very much for your time, and DAVE bless Fremont.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2018, 01:38:27 am »

First, thank you thumb21 for being the moderator of this debate, and I also thank the other candidates for participificatin' in this debate. Now, I think that we need to start workin' fast to end the socialist tide sweepin' Atlasia and reclaim freedom and a government for the people, by the people!

Now, Fremont is in dire straits. This last week, ya know, they tried to ban guns, can you believe that?! That's not a government for the people, that's a government for rich elites. I will stand up for the people, I will stand up against Weatherboy's tyrannical government, and I will stand up for true progress. We can do better than failure!

The voice of the people is poundin' on this senate seat, and their words are as clear as the windows on my pickup: We will fight big government to the last tooth and the last nail if it means preservin' our freedom. I will work hard in the Senate to make sure not a single one of these bills passes. Because what other choice do we have? Most Senators openly hate these freedoms, others simply don't do nothin'.at all. Ya'll know around in my hometown we got a special word for these people: Swamp goblins. They think that we'll stay silent and we'll stay ignorant to their schemes, but they have another thing coming for them.

I will come and make a better future. A future where the people are proud and a future where government dictatorship has been eradicated. A future where one man can take something he grew on his farm and sell it to another person without no agents comin' in and chargin' them. A future where you don't need no stinkin' degree to get by in this world. That's why we need a voice that will stand up for Fremont in the Senate.

Thank you, and may Dave Bless Fremont!
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2018, 02:17:03 pm »

Thank you for your opening statements, candidates! We will now move on to round two of the debate!

Candidates, you have 48 hours to answer the following questions!

Economic Policy:
> The Atlasian deficit is very large. What is your plan for reducing the deficit?
> What is your view regarding trade?
> What policies proposals do you have to create more jobs and generate economic growth?
> The issue of "Right to Work" laws have been a controversy recently in the senate. Do you support or oppose right to work laws?
Foreign Policy:
> The Chinese and their allies have been pushed out of the Korean Peninsula by Atlasia and its allies. However, no peace treaty has been signed yet. What would you like the peace treaty to look like and are there any red lines that'd cause you to vote against a treaty?
> The recent killing of Jamal Khashoggi and the war in Yemen have caused a lot of criticism of Saudi Arabia. What is your view of these issues and how should Atlasia respond?
Social Issues:
> What is your view on immigration?
> What policies do you support regarding the environment?
> The issue of gun control has been very controversial in Fremont in recent weeks. To what extent, if at all, should guns be regulated in Atlasia?
Game Issues:
> Many have accused the President of being too inactive. Would you agree with these accusations and what should be done about it?
> Atlasia in general has had many issues with activity in recent months, which has resulted in a number of resignations and recall petitions. What should be done about this in your view?
> What is your view on how the relationship between regional and federal government should be?
Individual Questions:
> To KoopaDaQuick: In your opening statement, you said that Senators are passing "anti-individual legislation." Which legislation are you referring to and why do you view it as anti-individual?
> To Lumine: Last time you were in the Senate, you put forward the Sulla and Montfort game reform plans. Do you consider these proposals to still be on the table and do you have any new game reform proposals?
> To Nerd73: In your opening statement, you criticized the President and the Senate. Which policies have they proposed which have led you to view them as tyrannical and anti-freedom?
> To Pericles: In your platform, you talk about how you want to implement various forms of stimulus spending and that "if done rightly," an expansion in the deficit can be avoided. Please expand on what you mean by this and how you will ensure that the spending will be done correctly.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2018, 11:35:20 pm »

Round Two: Responses

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Well, it is an issue that deeply concerns me, and during my last term as Senator for Fremont I stated that I did felt tempted to a protest vote against this year's budget due to the sheer size of it - which I didn't do, given my belief it would have been irresponsible - and how it has probably kept growing in some regards due to a continued push for spending in some corners.

Whilst I certainly don't think the deficit can be dispatched without an effort that will take several successive targets (unless we want a dramatic tax increase or an utterly ruthless reduction of social spending, neither of which I'd advocate for), I certainly believe we need to start taking the side of fiscal responsibility in terms of eliminating or reducing areas of spending which end up in waste and considering alternate means of raising revenue without punishing the middle class or taking anti-growth measures, and I'd be rather vigilant as to not vote in favor of wasteful projects for the sake of them.
 

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I would certainly side with the notion of free trade as a mostly - but certainly not perfect - positive goal to look up to as opposed to what we can describe as excessive or ideological protectionism, often a weapon in the hands of populism which far from actually creating a fairer situation for those left behind does tend up to raise prices, create unnecessary tension on the foreign stage and hurt the economy in many aspects. I support free trade in most cases, I would support expanding trade with potential and promising new partnets and I believe it would be to our benefit, but I wouldn't do so blindly and I'm at least open to limited measures when it is important to protect a given industry or account for the rather real social and economic dilemmas that can arise from time to time.

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I must confess that my view on the subject is a bit more open minded that some of the more strict principles I tend to closely adhere too, mostly because I tend to believe the handling of the economy is both easier and more efficient when we're prepared to look at different solutions and be pragmatic rather than excessively ideological about what we do. While my framework is strongly related to fiscal conservatism because I don't believe in spending our way to bankrupcy, I would argue in favor of limited tax reductions to certain groups - particularly small businesses in need of less tax pressure - just as I would also argue in favor of limited programs of public works, so long as we can make them accountable and not vanity projects.

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It has been a controversy, and perhaps rightly so given the spectacle we have seen in the Senate given the attempts to ram through the misleadingly titled "Right to Work Repeal Act of 2018" (and I certainly share the opinion the bill itself is inconsistent with the title), which went from inconstitutional to essentially irrelevant, was almost declared law despite going against Senate rules and remains up for debate. A similar notion applies to the "Employee Free Choice Act of 2018" (which again, does not do what the title says it does) and its passage despite credible concerns not being fully addressed.

The reason why I bring this up is because while I certainly support the advantange and benefits associated with the existence of healthy unions within Atlasia there are practices we should not be taking a lax stance on and dangers we should not neglect. The POWER Act provided a decent, workable and broadly supported framework which far as I'm concern works rather well, as opposed to what seem like rather ideological - as opposed to practical - bills which are attempted to be rammed through Congress no matter the cost. While I would not support excessive efforts that target unions in the way it happens in some places in RL, I certainly would not support what the Senate has been trying to do either.

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Indeed no Treaty has been signed, but it should be noted that has been mostly because of logistical and game difficulties that have stretched across the past few months. Since taking office as Secretary of State I have been hard at work to ensure a peace treaty can be crafted and signed, the process is underway and I have high hopes developments will come soon enough either at the end of the current GM's term or under the incoming one. Without betraying too many secrets I can say I do not want a repeat of last year's treaty with China, which while understanding why it was crafted like that I considered to be too lenient and appeasing regarding Beijing.

I aim towards a reasonable peace treaty which can ensure the safety of our allies in the region, end the conflict for good and build a post-war situation which is stable and holds for an extended period of time, and one of my ultimate, non-negotiable red lines is that the security of the PRK, South Korea and Japan must be ensured and not be subject to ambiguity to be later exploited.

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The key part of this dilemma - which is very important to take into account - is that the Republic of Atlasia no longer has a positive, stable relationship with Saudi Arabia, and this has been a fact for most of the post-reset period. Due to a series of utterly unacceptable actions on behalf of the Saudi regime - such as mass executions of homosexuales - Atlasia took a strong stand to condemn Saudi Arabia under President Fhtagn, and so far it appears to be a firm foreign policy consensus that Saudi Arabia was a partner with too many issues associated with it, and not as reliable as many percieved it to be. I decided to follow on that consensus - which I shared - on my 2018 Foreign Relations Review by maintaining partial sanctions on Saudi Arabia and making it clear they were focused not on the people but towards "government and military officials linked to terrorism".

So I believe we should stay the course, but not take on further hostile steps which would be unadvisable and destabilize the region further.

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A positive one, obviously. We are a nation of immigrants and have been since the very beginning, and one of the greatest things about the Republic of Atlasia its the sense of diversity you can find and the potential offered by those of us who are not players from the US, myself having the privilege of being the first Latin-American President of this nation. On the other hand, I've often believed immigration is an issue which requires a sense of order and stability, and that it should be handled responsibly as opposed to fully opening the doors Europe-style or engaging in the sort of morally bankrupt demonization of immigrants so many cynical figures use to gain power.

Broadly speaking, I fully support legal immigration and will support both the principle behind it as well as the contributions of immigrants to Atlasia from the Senate, but I also support having a strong border security and appropiate controls to prevent the sort of dilemmas which arise when we fail to account for the economic, social and cultural effects of large influx of illegal immigration.

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An extensive, ambitious and uncompromising sort. If there is one issue in which the Republic of Atlasia is vastly superior to its RL counterpart is how the environment is treated as a serious issue by a majority of citizens, and how views which question the very real existence of climate change and the effects of human action are not the ones that prevail. It is just a fact that if we continue to use and exploit the planet and its various species and resources the way we have we will come to regret it very soon, very bitterly, and in a manner which may very well lead to actual extinction not only of many species, but perhaps of ourselves.

Both in the Senate and regional government I took a stand against what I considered to be deregulation of environmental norms or anti-environment policies, and I will take that stand against by either promoting or voting in favor of bills concerning renewable energy, animal rights and natural conservation, protection of ecosystems, discouraging the abuse of fossil fuels and promoting the sort of scientific and technological advances which could end up fixing some of the untold damage we are causing. At the same time, Atlasia can't do it alone given the sheer damage nations like China are causing, and both as Senator and SOS I will fight to ensure we provide leadership, and that said leadership brings results.

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It may be an unpopular opinion and the sort of issue that does not bring votes, but I do support sensible gun control. Again, being from Latin America I have a different way of relating to what seems like the Atlasia gun culture, and even though I understand and respect the importance of responsible gun owning and of protecting the current rights of gun owners, I don't agree with taking a lax stance as people get killed everyday because of misuse, a lack of culture and proper safety, or the ridiculously easy access many people have towards guns. It seems almost insane to me that while more could be done such efforts are often killed at the start because of how it appears to be a losing issue for politicians.

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I do need to point out that as Secretary of State and thus an officer of the Cabinet I certainly believe I have several responsibilities towards the President, the same responsibilities that would push me not to speak too openly about my present thoughts on the Administration. But broadly speaking and despite the fact that I've found the President to be well meaning, I would agree with that assessment and would not characterize the past three weeks under new management to be active despite the knowledge that there is work done behind the scenes. I'd like to say I know what should be done, but the fact is that it either depends on the citizens to do something or on the President as the leader of the nation to lead by example. What will happen now I can't say, but I would hope more work gets done on the boards.

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We certainly need to keep up the notion that being inactive should have important, credible consecuences to deter people from being elected without intending to be active, which is why I supported introducing the Censure mechanisms and why I support both expulsions and recalls - even if I'm actually ensure recalls are Constitutional right now -. However, another problem without clear solution is the fact that the voters do continue to elect inactive people out of friendship, partisanship or pressure, even when matched with more active candidates but personally disliked by others. I don't think that one can actually be solved beyond making it known that a given candidate is inactive unless you were to dramatically alter the game and make elections simulated, one of the reforms I like but that would never, ever get passed in Congress or even in a refefendum.

Other than that, the game culture and context ought to be more engaging and fun instead of mediocre, dull and repetitive. That takes a lot of efforts by a lot of people, and necessarily requires brave players willing to step up and raise issues, promote debate and policy, sell a vision, and not keep it to the usual empty platitutes and Discord gameplay just to get elected and then do nothing. One of the issues that decided my vote on the last Presidential Election was that one of the candidates did have a vision and was active in office and on his campaign. And the other wasn't.

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I would say a balanced one, in which regions have enough to do and be interesting for players but one in which the Federal Government still has important powers and can make a real difference. Something I don't particularly like is a notion which at times does border a bit in paranoia in thinking that some officeholders are just desperate to take away the rights of the regions, when it's usually - not always as we've seen on the unions debate, but usually - not the case or even the contrary. We have a Federal system, I respect its current working and would be against both excessive centralization of power or empowering the regions to the point in which Nyman becomes pointless.

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Not in the sense that as times change the challenges are altered as well, and so the particular points of both Sulla and Montfort are not necessarily perfect or 100% relevant after almost a year of them being crafted. However, I would argue that I was right in many of the proposals I made and I sincerely believe they would have made a difference, which is why I regret the failure to pass meaningful reform as it was either killed by Congress or even by the public.

That has led me to lose faith in game reform ever taking place, actually, because I think both main political parties have never truly been interested in it and tend to accept it only when it seems there's no other choice. And invariably, they hardly accept the sort of reform that would shake up the game because it might mean losing what they have, unless of course the nation is facing death by boredom like in 2015. Thus I don't expect game reforms to survive Congress at all.

However, I will continue to try, and I will update my plans to craft a new proposal for institutional reforms (the updated Sulla) and, rather than parliamentarism, a proposal and debate on game simulation and whether elections should be simulated by a GM team rather than be left to the usual tricks which tend to allow mediocre or inactive candidates with a lot of friends to win anyway. I don't expect it to get anywhere, but by the Gods I will try!
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2018, 03:59:06 am »

 Economic Policy:
> The Atlasian deficit is very large. What is your plan for reducing the deficit?
I think primarily we can reduce the deficit with tax increases on the top income tax brackets, as well as increases in areas such as the estate tax which primarily affect the rich, and also re-examining corporate tax rate. On corporate tax rates we find a slight increase would be beneficial, and even if we don't raise the actual marginal rates I would also look at deductions and loopholes in the tax code and work with the other Labor senators, and Senators from other parties if they are also serious about deficit reduction, to raise more revenues. Additionally, I believe we can make further cuts to the defense budget, both on a broad basis and reviewing it and eliminating waste. We should also try and use regulatory policy to achieve our aims when possible, and potentially the benefits from this can both come without any cost and lead to greater revenues. There may be areas where we can cut domestic spending or make programs more efficient, but I will be cautious there(as I would be throughout the deficit reduction process) and make sure to protect ordinary Fremontians from harsh cuts. I would like to add that we cannot expect to balance the budget in one go, and that would be profoundly harmful and irresponsible. Instead we must work to progressively reduce the deficit in a responsible manner.
> What is your view regarding trade?
I am overall pro free trade. Globalization has produced immense prosperity across the globe and has been broadly beneficial in Atlasia, and free trade has given us many opportunities. I hope that this administration will continue to negotiate free trade deals and expand our access to markets globally. That said, we do need to be cautious about these deals as there can be unintended consequences, and some may need to be renegotiated. We also should do more to support those who have been left behind by globalization, and expand retraining programs. Globalization is not perfect, yet our leaders in the past have failed to properly anticipate and resolve the negative impacts created. Yet at the same time, some people have attempted to lay the blame of the loss of manufacturing jobs solely at free trade, when most of it has actually been caused by automation and other factors. So even if we were to go down on a protectionist policy, there is no guarantee the jobs would come back and likely our economy would suffer dearly instead. So we should stick with free trade but be more cautious with it and mindful that there are positives and negatives to globalization(even if the positives outweigh the negatives), not only positives.
> What policies proposals do you have to create more jobs and generate economic growth?
We should pass infrastructure reform as the biggest investment in good-paying jobs since World War II and this would reduce unemployment and inequality in Atlasia. I would also be open to reducing the lower income tax brackets which I think would boost economic growth, and/or passing a payroll tax cut. I think that if we combat poverty-such as in finishing the job of passing my bill expanding the Child Tax Credit(CTC) which would halve child poverty, and potentially expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit(EITC) this would also be beneficial to our economy as a whole. We can also increase the long-term potential of our economy, such as by boosting our education system from pre-K all the way to college. There's a lot that can be done and if we keep a Laborite majority in the Senate we can do a lot for our economy.
> The issue of "Right to Work" laws have been a controversy recently in the senate. Do you support or oppose right to work laws?
I oppose right to work laws, and I am a pro-union candidate. I think the decline of unions has been a major cause of the rise of inequality in our country in recent decades, and this is probably an underrated factor by many. Fremontian workers deserve a Senator that is on their side and will fight for them day and night, thatís the kind of Senator I will be. I think the Laborite majority has a lot of good proposals on this issue, itís great that we have a House, Senate and presidency that are all pro-union and I think Fremontian voters would be making the right choice if they vote to keep it that way by sending me to the Senate.
Foreign Policy:
> The Chinese and their allies have been pushed out of the Korean Peninsula by Atlasia and its allies. However, no peace treaty has been signed yet. What would you like the peace treaty to look like and are there any red lines that'd cause you to vote against a treaty?
 Well this is an unpredictable process, and I donít want to step on the toes of our hard-working negotiators. I understand diplomacy is complicated and requires compromises, and that weíre unlikely to get a perfect deal. I have to agree with Secretary Lumine in that we must ensure our national security and that of our allies is protected, and that is something I would press in the Senate. I hope we can have a good debate about this subject in the Senate when it comes up, and on a sidenote I will make sure to express my opinions on Senate business and foster Senate debate, it is important that issues before the Senate are discussed properly and the current lack of debate is concerning and should be remedied. I canít say in advance how Iíd vote on the Treaty, but I will keep an open mind to it-though I am leaning towards having faith in the administration and our negotiators that they did a good job unless it is clear that is not the case.
> The recent killing of Jamal Khashoggi and the war in Yemen have caused a lot of criticism of Saudi Arabia. What is your view of these issues and how should Atlasia respond?
We cannot tolerate these egregious criminal actions. I believe that Prince Mohammed bin Salman is responsible for the killing of Jamal Khashoggi. Our foreign policy needs to respect human rights, and we need to send a message that countries should not expect to get away with violating human rights and international law. I support imposing sanctions on Saudi Arabia over this, and we should also reconsider our involvement in Yemen and I think this may also be something I could work on in the Senate. I think more broadly we should reconsider our relationship with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis lack the leverage they once did with oil, as Atlasia is practically energy independent(and I will work to ensure we are fully energy independent), there is no alternative geopolitical camp for the Saudis to align into and the main beneficiary of a Saudi cutoff of oil would be their mortal enemy, Iran. Objectively, the Saudi regime is no better and probably even worse than the Iranian regime. The current Atlasian alliance with the Saudis made sense during the Cold War but it makes a lot less sense now and is not in line with our values, so we need to reconsider it or at least put much greater pressure on the Saudis to respect human rights.
Social Issues:
> What is your view on immigration?
Overall I think immigration is a positive for our nation. Broadly I think we have the right approach to illegal immigration, and I think we should balance maintaining border security-which absolutely is important-with treating people humanely and allowing a path to citizenship where good people can become productive citizens of Atlasia. Also, illegal immigration isnít that pressing of an issue, given border crossings are at record lows. I think the levels we have of legal immigration right now are appropriate, though we want to make sure weíre encouraging skilled immigrants to come here, I think we should make it easier for H1B visa holders and hope HB 1350 passes. Also, as a slightly separate issue, I think Atlasia should continue to be a safe haven for asylum seekers and we should increase the refugee quota.
> What policies do you support regarding the environment?
I believe it is very important to treasure and preserve our environment, and I would consider myself an environmentalist. This will be a high priority in the Senate. I am deeply concerned by efforts to undermine environmental regulations. I will vote against any bill that undermines environmental regulations. I think we need to undertake more efforts to protect the environment. I also believe climate change is one of the most pressing challenges of our time and it requires swift and decisive action. Therefore, I oppose and will vote nay on any bill that undermines the carbon tax, but I would be open to reforming it in a way that strengthens the carbon tax. I want to wean us off fossil fuels and towards renewable energy, and I think we should do more to support renewable support and its development.
> The issue of gun control has been very controversial in Fremont in recent weeks. To what extent, if at all, should guns be regulated in Atlasia?
I think it is very important that we protect the safety of Fremontians, and keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, criminals and the mentally ill. Thatís what I helped do with the Letís Try This Act, which got support across party lines and reformed the background check system, stopped terrorists on the no-fly list from getting guns and banned bump stocks. I would be open to more improvements to reduce gun violence. I also think we should invest more in mental health and this would also be beneficial. I am not yet convinced that an Assault Weapons Ban is necessary or wise. I will protect the rights of law abiding gun owners to keep and bear arms. I think the idea of ending this right goes way too far, and it is not a realistic or helpful conversation to be having.
Game Issues:
> Many have accused the President of being too inactive. Would you agree with these accusations and what should be done about it?
As I've said before, I don't agree with those accusations, and so you can't really solve a problem that doesn't exist. There have been a few teething problems with this administration but that's partly bad luck and also to be expected for the first proper left-wing government in years. I'm more concerned at how the Federalist Party has been rabidly negative to our President and has consistently sought to undermine him. If an inactivity problem were to arise, then I would first encourage the President to become more active. If he then didn't listen, I would probably ask him to resign or not run for re-election, and may support an alternative candidate. However this is all a hypothetical that isn't based in reality and isn't likely to be reality, so I don't anticipate having to deal with inactivity with respect to President weatherboy1102, and I think many people will be pleasantly surprised by how this left-wing government goes, if it is given the chance to succeed.
> Atlasia in general has had many issues with activity in recent months, which has resulted in a number of resignations and recall petitions. What should be done about this in your view?
These instances of inactivity are unfortunate. Perhaps it is partly that more attention is being drawn to the problem than previously, but I do think it is an issue and one we can mitigate. Poirot made a good point with the Lincoln Assembly that an assembly of 3 newcomers was pretty much doomed to fail, and an important thing that can be done is giving more support to newcomers so that they are engaged with the game. I also think that the negativity and petty drama of the game can turn off new players, and the solution to that is to pass so much good policy and have so much good governance that there is no alternative but to focus on this rather than the Discord drama. Iím also a reformer and will remain open to how we can improve the game to make it more attractive and engaging. I think also at times some tough love is helpful and when I was Speaker I remember threatening to expel anyone with an activity rate of under 50%, perhaps because of that nobody had a rate under 50%. Iím open to the activity standards amendment that is working its way through Congress as well.
> What is your view on how the relationship between regional and federal government should be?
I think broadly the balance is correct right now. The federal government has to be the more powerful branch as its officials have the strongest popular mandate and we need cohesion and unity in policy across Atlasia, and the federal government should work with the regions constructively. However the regions should keep their current autonomy and should be bastions of policy innovation and starting grounds for new players to emerge, develop and prove themselves.
Individual Questions:
> To Pericles: In your platform, you talk about how you want to implement various forms of stimulus spending and that "if done rightly," an expansion in the deficit can be avoided. Please expand on what you mean by this and how you will ensure that the spending will be done correctly.
Well, with the stimulus you can check out my proposals that I mentioned a few questions ago. Partly, the Senate sort of has to do it rightly as there is Paygo. This is a good incentive to make us find funding for programs. However, it could still go wrong even with Paygo as either the Senate could vote to ignore Paygo and pass unfunded expenditure or it could not pass as much expenditure as it should due to having trouble finding funding. My objective is to pass the stimulus we need to pass but also make sure it is fully funded and so is either revenue neutral or revenue positive, and so that would be how it is done right rather than going wrong.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2018, 08:50:20 am »



continuing with the populist libertarian meme

Economics:

1. We're burnin' lots of money on programs proppin' up the undeservin' and we need to repeal them immediately. We got dem lazy people livin' on welfare who are takin' money from the hard-workin' families of Atlasia, and this needs to stop now.

2. Free Trade is destructive to the Atlasian economy and if elected I would introduce a bill to create a tariff on all imported goods. We simply cannot afford to lose millions of jobs to free trade.

3. Easy, I propose a major tax reduction combined with tariffs on most goods to bring back the millions of jobs that have been lost to Chinese workers and immigrants, and energize the Atlasian
economy.

4. These people are chargin' workers into oblivion with their corruption, and I would put an end to that. So yes, I support right-to-work.


Foreign Policy:

1. My view is that I'm not gonna support any treaty that shreds the rights of Atlasia, and I support that the Korean peninsumala is definitely controlled by our allies after the treaty is signed.

2. Saudi Arabia opposes our Atlasian values every step of the way, and we definitely don't need an alliance with any of them Arab countries. However, Atlasia shouldn't be out bossin' around and so I don't support sanctions on Saudi Arabia.

Social Issues:

1. Immigration is one of the biggest threats to Atlasia post-reset, and I would like to see both "legal" and illegal immigration greatly curtailed back if not completely banned. We need to greatly step up our enforcement and deportation efforts at the border to stop illegal immigration.

2. Climate change is a Chinese myth destroyin' our economy and I will not stand for these socialists imposing tyranny on us. I will support repealin' all environmental regulations if elected Senator.

3. I am a lifelong opponent of gun-grabbers who want to destroy our freedoms, and I will never support any of these measures. We also need to start repealin' gun-grabbin' laws already in place.

Game Issues:

1. Ya know, this socialist we have in office, always seems to be ditherin' between bein' a tyrant and not bein' president at all. Honestly, better we have a president doin' nothin' in office rather than a tyrant in office, but neither are good.

2. There's some serious corruption goin' on when we got incompetent people bein' elected and re-elected over and over again. I will work to clean this system up and end the swamp goblin system goin' on.

3. My main policy here is this: Government, get out! We're one step away from dictatorship with the way the feds have been abusing their powers for years now, and we need to transfer a lot of power back to regional governments if we want Atlasia to survive in any recognizable form.

Individual Questions:

1. One of the biggest threats to our freedom that the President has proposed is his massive expansumacation of the welfare state. Ya know, there's a saying, that you should never give the government large amounts of power, because any good in it can turn evil in an instant.




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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2018, 08:45:01 pm »

GALAXIE IN THE HOUSE

It's go time. I was blessed to be a part of Atlasia just a few short months ago when I served Fremont in its grand Parliament. Now, as I return from a prolonged hibernation, Atlasia is effectively dead. Truly, comrades, now is the time to inspire and grow Atlasia. Perhaps today we can do just that.

I am an anti-policy candidate. In all honesty, what I stand for does not matter -- why should we waste time with policy responses? If I am elected, I will rouse controversy and say outlandish things -- it is what I'm best at. I will inject life back into the limp corpse of Atlasia, and reanimate it to do ungodly things. Perhaps I will simply just use this as a platform for other things, who is to say?

I enter this election knowing I will not win. I instead ask you to look around and question whether you are happy with what you see. This is a game, let us make it fun. Hopefully (even if through a doomed campaign), I'm doing my part. I know I'm enjoying it.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2018, 03:57:13 pm »

We are just waiting for Koopa. He has had some time issues.

Tomorrow we will move on regardless because the election is fast approaching.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2018, 11:02:39 pm »

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2018, 02:12:52 pm »

Thank you for your responses, candidates! We will now move on to round three of the debate!

Candidates, you have 48 hours to carry out the following tasks!

Task 1 - Follow-up questions:
The candidates are encouraged to answer their follow-up question:
> To Lumine: In your answer on deficit reduction, you that Atlasia needs to start "reducing spending that ends in waste and considering alternative means of raising revenue." Could you expand on this - what spending do you believe should be cut and and what are some alternative ways of raising revenue that you support?
> To Nerd73: In your response on inactivity, you stated that you want to clean the "swamp goblin" system up. Could you expand on how you would do this?
> To Pericles: In your response on inactivity, you said that you are a reformer and are open to passing reforms to make the game more engaging. Could you expand on this - what game reform ideas are attractive to you?

Task 2 - Rebuttals:
The candidates can respond to their opponent's arguments and are encouraged to discuss back and forth as much as they want.

Task 3 - Closing statements:
The candidates are encouraged to make their closing statements.

Note: Only the candidates can write here. If you want to comment, the commentary thread is here: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=307612.0
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2018, 07:58:03 pm »

> To Pericles: In your response on inactivity, you said that you are a reformer and are
open to passing reforms to make the game more engaging. Could you expand on this - what game reform ideas are attractive to you?

Well, thereís lots of ideas out there, some of them good and some of them not so good, and weíve had ideas that were once really prominent in public debate and now are pretty much ignored. For instance, I thought proposals for creating a parliamentary system in Atlasia were interesting and there may be benefit to them in renewing the game. I also support the activity standards amendment working its way through Congress. I was a supporter of much of Lumineís Sulla Plan. Perhaps we could also bring back my 50% threshold that I used in the House and anyone under it would be expelled and maybe legislate that, though I wouldnít exactly be satisfied with people who have a 51% activity record, and I could work on this further to adjust the exact threshold. I think we do need more tracking of activity from our officials, both to inform the voting public and to incentivise them to be more active if they know their inactivity(or indeed activity) will be public knowledge. Additionally, what I meant with being open was that when new ideas prop up I am receptive to them and will engage with these ideas in good faith, activity is a complicated issue and even in the last year there have been many different approaches to it.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2018, 11:58:36 am »

Round Three: Responses, Rebuttals and Closing Statement

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I would argue that there is room for reducing spending when it comes to the bureaucracy and, say, the amount of money that is wasted on redundant projects or even by virtue of the government actually having too many (unused) offices or buildings under its care, and the same can apply to a number of departments whose subsidies may actually not be having an actual positive impact on the lives of Atlasians even though it the surfice they would appear to be helpful. Much of this also overlaps with the need of budget cooperation with the Administration since it will be decisive for a President - now or later - to start reducing much of the overlaps and waste that is beyond the purview of Congress.

Whilst raising taxes is my opinion never the ideal, in terms of revenue I've been supported raising the sin taxes up to a reasonable level, both to promote a better and less harmful life and to raise extra revenue. A similar principle applies to the notion of pro-environmental taxes, which I'd certainly support to re-arrange provided we're not actually punishing small communities in a disproportionate manner.

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Whilst this on by-itself is a noble sentiment which I believe a lot of people embrace and believe it improves politics, I can't help but to think that in this particular case this does bring some issues of its own. To elaborate: A. you yourself said that your actions in abandoning the people you served to parachute into Fremont and run for office here "were justified because I am the best candidate in this race."; and B. despite speaking up against negativity and the effect of Discord you have also disparaged several prominent Atlasians there and apparently made ungentlemanly comments about one of our leading female politicians; and on this debate also accused us other candidates in the debate of wanting to obstruct the President's agenda, and characterized an entire party as being obstructive and undermining of the Administration.

So with that as a background, may I ask the following:

1. Should voters give you a free pass when it comes to ethically questionable decisions?
2. Should your actions be solely justified by your personal belief that you are the best candidate?
3. Since the call you've made on the "negativity and petty drama of the game" is one you could be argued to also be a part of, would you then argue that you would consider yourself as exempt from that call?

Closing Statement:

It has doubtlessly been a fascinating campaign thus far, and an invigorating democratic exercise which I believe we need now more than ever. Uncompetitive and dull races are certainly something the nation does not benefit from on its present state, and I sincerely that whoever emerges as the winner will do so with a mandate and with an election with strong turnout.

My last pitch to all of the fine citizens of the Commonwealth of Fremont is to think carefully and hard when they go to the polls as to what kind of Senator they want to have, which sort of figure with which sort of record they want up there in Nyman fighting for them and for the many causes so many of us hold dear. I stand by my record - despite my mistakes - as having been an active, engaged, responsible and reliable officeholder, someone who has tried to lead and to enact change into a number of issues which I've found to be lacking or in need of extra efforts. That mindset is one which I've promoted from several different jobs and offices in this great Republic, and one I would like the chance to promote once again from an institution in need for change and greater efficiency such as the Senate.

So if you want an active Senator, a Senator that can get things done without resorting to shady obscure deals, a Senator that will stand for this region and not abandon it, a Senator that will constantly fight for the environment and our ecosystem, for an active and positive foreign policy, for the improvement of the game and the way in which we enjoy it on game reform, for a principle of fiscal conservatism, and for bold leadership, then I would humbly request your vote on this Special Election.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2018, 10:56:03 pm »
« Edited: November 29, 2018, 10:59:19 pm by Pericles »

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I have been a dedicated public servant throughout my time in Atlasia, and I believe my views and values are in line with those of Fremont. I think it is fair to make that case and argue I am the best candidate and to also question the agenda and behavior of the Federalist Party. I believe that if you want a candidate to deliver a strong progressive agenda and work with the President, I may well be the candidate for you.

And my point on putting aside pettiness and negativity is a fair one, as I have not only been the victim of many petty and negative attacks, but my case to the Fremontian people is not about this petty drama, but about delivering both dedicated active representation and the best representation policy-wise for Fremont. Iím disappointed that Lumine has chosen to indulge in personal attacks and casting aspersions on my character in this campaign. Perhaps this is an attempt to deflect attention from his right-wing agenda, but definitely it is disappointing.

On spending, Iíd like to raise a point on the differences between Lumine and myself on the military budget. While it seems Lumine no longer supports increasing defense spending, he still opposes reducing it. We have a large budget as is, and I donít believe we should be exempting it from deficit reduction. I object to that position as not only would it make reducing the deficit significantly harder and burden hard-working Fremontians with the resulting deficit reduction measures. I donít see good value for money in having a budget of $400 billion or $450 billion compared to $500 billion, and that this is more beneficial either reducing the deficit or spent elsewhere-we should be doing nation building at home not nation building abroad. I think my plan will be better as it will have more of the burden of deficit reduction go on increased taxes for the rich and reducing waste in the defense budget, which will mean that we can reduce the deficit without imposing a harsh burden on most Fremontians and the government services and programs that benefit our society. I believe my approach is more responsible and it is also more pro-growth, and imposing a greater burden on ordinary hard-working Fremontians is not only wrong, it is anti-growth.

On unions, I would have to disagree with Lumine, as while the POWER Act was a start it should not be regarded as the best we can do and there is more we should do to boost unions and the working people of Fremont. Given that Mr Reactionary boasted about creating national right to work with the POWER Act, this is a situation that does warrant concern from Congress and action to rectify it.

Iíd also like to ask Lumine to expand on his point of simulated elections, as this was something I found surprising and concerning. While it seems he differs from my view, I believe elections are an integral part of the game and are a major driver of activity(and yes, they are also a driver of recruitment into the game), and seem to be the most logical system for choosing our leadership and the alternative seems dangerous and unworkable. I think our current system is the most engaging and representative of actual politics in this area, and that while Iím open to fixes in the game this area isnít broken and so is in no need of fixing.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2018, 10:57:23 pm »

Closing statement
Iíve enjoyed this campaign, and this has been an exciting moment for our region and nation. Weíve certainly had a full and interesting field of candidates, though we have lost a few. Through it all, Iíve had a clear message of delivering a progressive agenda for Fremontians. For too many hard-working Fremontians, the deck is stacked against them. If you want a Senator who defends the interests of the privileged few, then donít vote for me. But if you want a Senator who will help create a fairer Fremont where everyone, no matter their race, gender or background, has the opportunity to succeed, then Iím the candidate for you.

We have a great opportunity with united progressive government to enact real substantive change for Fremontians. We need to create more good-paying jobs for our citizens, create a fairer tax system, take action to reduce poverty, raise the minimum wage, fight for unions and the working people of Fremont, reform the welfare system so it is a true safety net for those in need, improve our healthcare system so it delivers more coverage and lower costs for Fremontians, and so much more. We must not go backward at this moment, there is too much at stake in this election.

And Fremontians can rest assured that not only do I have the right policies and values, I will be active and will deliver on my promises. I was Speaker of the most productive Congress in history. I have a stellar record of activity and have passed many bills, highlights being my expansion of the Child Tax Credit, the Letís Try This Act keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists, and having passed criminal justice reform. I aim to have a 100% activity record, and I will work day and night for Fremontians as your Senator if I am elected.

Iím ultimately running not for myself but because I believe I can make a positive difference for you and make Fremont a better place. Thatís what this election is about, not me or any of the other candidates, itís about you, and what kind of future do you want for your region. We have great potential, now is our chance to seize it. That is why Iím asking for your vote in this election. Thank you very much for reading.
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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2018, 12:07:11 am »

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Well, I do find it saddening my opponent isn't actually able to answer questions about the events he's been involved with, justifying them as irrelevant solely because of his quality as a candidate.

Character, record and ethics are actually an important part of being a Senator and serving a region and its people in an appropiate manner, and deserve scrutiny, attention and a conversation just as the issues do, unless we were somehow arguing that the moral character of an officeholder is irrelevant. It would seem whenever this comes up my opponent deflects and fires back with something both unrelated and arguably misleading in terms of the portrayal he has chosen.

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Well, to this I can reiterate that I find it disappointing too that he can't answer to the questions posed to him by constituents and people who have worked with him, and I consider character to be a relevant issue. Tto that I can add two other points:

A.- Pointing out at a factual record of is rather different than a gratuitous personal attack, and so far my opponent has been unable to explain a myriad of questionable actions and statements - some of them very recent -.
C.- What I can really answer to this transparent attempt at a portrayal is the fact that this is the first time I've actually heard my opponent make this charge, and you have to wonder why now. It seems he would rather build a boogeyman at the last minute.

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Defense: Well, it's pretty simple, we have been fighting a war for the past few months. It has been a brutal if limited conflict, and one in which our military has fought effectively and with distinction. And while now is certainly the time to win the peace, it should be noted that it simply isn't sound or advisable to start gutting the military budget. I realize my opponent may not be fully up to date in foreign affairs - the Saudi alliance he speaks of is gone since last year - and that happens, but he continues to speak as if Atlasian foreign policy was the same as OTL US foreign policy, and that doesn't seem a proper manner in which to approach foreign policy to me.

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Unions: Well, I can't be held responsible about the statements of other officeholders on the matter, and I stand by the belief that the Senate is not being responsible in how it's handling by process by ignoring input and questions, and accelerating the process in a manner which has raised concerns about whether some of the proposals are constitutional or whether their handling is breaking Senate rule. And I will say this again, as Senators we're expected to be serious and at least responsible in our work, and just as I wasn't a fan of people ramming stuff through a few months ago I am not a fan of it now either.

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Game Reform: This is one of many hypothetical concepts for game reforms which I've raised up for debate, and the one I've been the most vocal about it not being one it would actually be passed. Still, I find it very important for us to have a debate on the role of the GM and game simulation in terms of discussing alternatives and for people to explain why the status quo is better (and it might be), and I look forward to the nation having that broad conversation to see if there are reforms that have broad popular support. To that I can only add it is certainly sad to see my opponent leaving behind his claims of being a champion of game reform only to scaremonger at the last moment.

In Closing: Ultimately, what the people of the Commonwealth will consider relevant or a priority remains to be seen, and the people might very well choose that what I do wish to say may not be their ultimate preference. I can only invite them to reflect on the respective record and accomplishments of my opponent and myself, our character, and what we've stood for, and then make an informed choice.
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2018, 08:46:27 am »

Response/Rebuttal: What ya see here, is two of them' swamp goblins debatin' each other. There ain't any real difference between a Federalist and a Socialist on the issues that matter to the Atlasian people, I will be a true independent voice, and I will clean up the swamp goblin system by drainin' this swamp!

Closing Statement: It has been a great campaign with ya'll and I think we still have work to do with making sure socialist tyranny doesn't spread to Atlasia under this socialist administration, and I will never be satisfied until socialism is dead and gone, but the progress we've made, is a lot to be proud about. This is a demonstratification of what makes Atlasia the greatest country on earth, our freedoms and democracy. I'm running to provide a true alternative for Atlasia, and I hope I get your vote in this Election.
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2018, 10:56:51 am »

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2018, 08:55:42 pm »

It appears nobody has anything else to say so I'll close the debate.

Thank you candidates for your concluding statements and your participation in this debate! Good luck in the election!

This concludes the debate, if you have any comments, go to the commentary thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=307612.0
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