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« on: November 24, 2018, 06:03:04 pm »

A Southern Democrat vs. a moderate Midwestern Republican- who would you vote for, and who would win? Discuss with maps.
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2018, 06:09:53 pm »



Southern Gothic is too liberal to win back the south but his populism would help win back MI and WI but in turn lose NV,VA,NH, CO
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2018, 06:22:36 pm »

Southern Gothic would easily get my vote. He’d likely win but how much of the urban and suburban Dem base he keeps is an open question. If there’s anyone who would make inroads with the WWC it’s him. I could see anything from a really odd mid-20th century-esque map to a Clinton+Rust Belt map to OSR’s map.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2018, 07:19:53 pm »

SG/SG
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2018, 07:30:24 pm »

Southern Gothic would easily get my vote. He’d likely win but how much of the urban and suburban Dem base he keeps is an open question. If there’s anyone who would make inroads with the WWC it’s him. I could see anything from a really odd mid-20th century-esque map to a Clinton+Rust Belt map to OSR’s map.


Well Midwestern WWC is different than Southern WWC voters though.

Southern WWC have been solidly Republican since 1994(1996 Clinton winning by nearly double digits allowed him to win those but in a close election he probably loses the entire south except WV and AK) and the Suburbs in the South would go overwhelmingly for RINO Tom so any inroads he makes there would.

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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2018, 07:54:41 pm »

I love Democrat vs. Democrat elections! Smiley

RINO Tom is basically a Democrat on everything except for tax cuts, so I guess him. Ironically, despite being the Democrat in this match up, I'm pretty sure Southern Gothic deviates more from Democratic Party orthodoxy than RINO Tom the "Republican" does, lol.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2018, 07:58:47 pm »

RINO Tom/RINO Tom



295 - 243
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2018, 08:31:07 pm »

I like RINO, but Southern Gothic would easily get my vote in this scenario, since he’s basically the perfect Democrat for me. But we’re talking about a scenario in which these two somehow win their party's nomination without changing their current policy positions, right?

I also think Southern Gothic would win the GE, FWIW.

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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2018, 08:33:07 pm »

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2018, 12:10:25 am »

SG ftw!
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2018, 01:57:12 am »

Southern Gothic Victory Map:



299 - 239

RINO Tom Victory Map:



288 - 250

I think people in this thread are really overestimating how much one nominee changes a party's coalition. Mitt Romney was a slick, elitist, North Eastern businessman and still wiped the floor in Appalachia. This isn't the 1970s anymore, coalitions don't change drastically from election to election based on the nominees.
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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2018, 04:56:13 am »



No tossups:



Basically Obama vs Romney with RINO doing better in the West and Northeast.
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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2018, 06:50:13 am »

Southern Gothic Victory Map:



299 - 239

RINO Tom Victory Map:



288 - 250

I think people in this thread are really overestimating how much one nominee changes a party's coalition. Mitt Romney was a slick, elitist, North Eastern businessman and still wiped the floor in Appalachia. This isn't the 1970s anymore, coalitions don't change drastically from election to election based on the nominees.

I mean RINO Tom isn't just an elitist who is a Republican. He voted for Clinton while SG voted for Trump. There's reason to think we'd end up with a really funky map just because the nominees are THAT different from 2016.
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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2018, 02:38:00 pm »

I mean RINO Tom isn't just an elitist who is a Republican. He voted for Clinton while SG voted for Trump. There's reason to think we'd end up with a really funky map just because the nominees are THAT different from 2016.

Yes, these votes and their views on certain social (and yes, even economic and foreign policy) issues would essentially make them unpalatable to their respective party's base from the get-go, abortion and gun control in particular. This is basically as close to John Bel Edwards (D) vs. Charlie Baker (R) as you can get, and I have a hard time believing that WV and VT would be solid R and D, respectively, in this scenario. Or that Fairfax County wouldn’t at least be somewhat competitive.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2018, 08:34:18 pm »

It would depend on if they were magically transplanted onto the ticket or had to pander to the base in their respective primaries, right? Because I could see myself voting for Tom in the former case and SG in the latter case.
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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2018, 09:32:59 pm »

I mean RINO Tom isn't just an elitist who is a Republican. He voted for Clinton while SG voted for Trump. There's reason to think we'd end up with a really funky map just because the nominees are THAT different from 2016.

Yes, these votes and their views on certain social (and yes, even economic and foreign policy) issues would essentially make them unpalatable to their respective party's base from the get-go, abortion and gun control in particular. This is basically as close to John Bel Edwards (D) vs. Charlie Baker (R) as you can get, and I have a hard time believing that WV and VT would be solid R and D, respectively, in this scenario. Or that Fairfax County wouldn’t at least be somewhat competitive.


I don’t really think RINO Tom or SG are that different on social issues


RINO Tom is liberal compared to the party on social issues but he said he still supports the 20 week ban I believe on Abortion

And SG said he’s more moderate on the issue now too so his position is probably the same as wells
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2018, 09:37:08 pm »

I mean RINO Tom isn't just an elitist who is a Republican. He voted for Clinton while SG voted for Trump. There's reason to think we'd end up with a really funky map just because the nominees are THAT different from 2016.

Yes, these votes and their views on certain social (and yes, even economic and foreign policy) issues would essentially make them unpalatable to their respective party's base from the get-go, abortion and gun control in particular. This is basically as close to John Bel Edwards (D) vs. Charlie Baker (R) as you can get, and I have a hard time believing that WV and VT would be solid R and D, respectively, in this scenario. Or that Fairfax County wouldn’t at least be somewhat competitive.


I don’t really think RINO Tom or SG are that different on social issues


RINO Tom is liberal compared to the party on social issues but he said he still supports the 20 week ban I believe on Abortion

And SG said he’s more moderate on the issue now too so his position is probably the same as well
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2018, 07:18:41 pm »

Southern Gothic Victory Map:



299 - 239

RINO Tom Victory Map:



288 - 250

I think people in this thread are really overestimating how much one nominee changes a party's coalition. Mitt Romney was a slick, elitist, North Eastern businessman and still wiped the floor in Appalachia. This isn't the 1970s anymore, coalitions don't change drastically from election to election based on the nominees.

I mean RINO Tom isn't just an elitist who is a Republican.  He voted for Clinton while SG voted for Trump. There's reason to think we'd end up with a really funky map just because the nominees are THAT different from 2016.

Or, ya know, really an elitist at all, LOL.
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2018, 03:10:54 pm »

RINO Tom is a Larry Hogan/Charlie Baker Republican of a sort that would have massive crossover appeal.
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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2018, 06:37:38 pm »

SG/RT
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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2018, 12:04:38 pm »

Southern Gothic would basically be my ideal Democrat, so him easily.

And I also think Southern Gothic wins fairly easily
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2018, 01:02:42 pm »

Southern Gothic would basically be my ideal Democrat, so him easily.

And I also think Southern Gothic wins fairly easily

I very much disagree because even though SG is more conservative than the average Dem when it comes to social issues his overall views ideologically is probably very similar to RINO Tom from what they said when they describe their positions in detail .


It’s not really John Bel Edwards vs Charlie Baker , I would say it’s more like Joe Manchin vs John Kasich
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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2018, 01:21:09 pm »

This race is Richard Ojeda vs. John Warner more than anything^.
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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2018, 07:55:38 pm »

Southern Gothic/Southern Gothic
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« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2018, 02:29:34 am »

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