Should immigrants/non-citizens living in the US have full voting rights?

[All Along The Watchtower]

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[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Who are they and if they are so treasured why not make them citizens?

[All Along The Watchtower]

Who are they and if they are so treasured why not make them citizens?

Exactly.

[MarkD]

Are there any countries in the world that allow non-citizens to vote in their elections? If so, I would be willing to let an immigrant from those countries to vote in ours, as a matter of reciprocity.  But I've never heard of one that allows it.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Ideally, yes. I think citizenship ought to be based on wherever one has established residency. You get a visa and move to the USA, in 6 months you become an American citizen with full rights. You move away, and you lose your citizenship.

[YE]

Who are they and if they are so treasured why not make them citizens?

Exactly.

[parochial boy]

Are there any countries in the world that allow non-citizens to vote in their elections? If so, I would be willing to let an immigrant from those countries to vote in ours, as a matter of reciprocity.  But I've never heard of one that allows it.

Quite a few do at various leves - Some Swiss Cantons let foreigners vote at local/cantonal levels; the UK lets commonwealth citizens vote; I'm pretty sure that Sweden lets anyone living in the country for over three years vote.

There are usually certain preconditions about length of residence or immigration status, but it's not exactly rare to allow foreigners to vote.

[Santander]

I would be fine with letting non-citizen nationals (i.e. American Samoans) and immigrant aliens (i.e. green card holders) vote in local elections, as long as they are either a) not yet eligible to apply for citizenship, or b) have applied for citizenship within 6 months of being eligible to do so.

I don't see any reason in extending the vote to someone who has voluntarily chosen not to become an American.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Who are they and if they are so treasured why not make them citizens?

Exactly.

Citizenship, not that I've ever had to fight for it in the United States, surely involves greater hurdles to it than there are to becoming a non-citizen resident or whatever. And as such, this would make them (I hope) at the least required to learn the language and history of their host country and to register in its selective service.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Who are they and if they are so treasured why not make them citizens?

Exactly.

Citizenship, not that I've ever had to fight for it in the United States, surely involves greater hurdles to it than there are to becoming a non-citizen resident or whatever. And as such, this would make them (I hope) at the least required to learn the language and history of their host country and to register in its selective service.

     You make an important yet often ignored point here. Citizens of the nation are ethically bound to duty at the nation's behest. With this responsibility comes the right to guide the path of the nation. But we forgot this, and people who thought they were entitled to something for nothing decided that they could have positive rights of influence without positive responsibilities to maintain the fabric of society. It should be little wonder then that we see destructive ideologies arise with little love or regard for the social and cultural tradition they exist in.

[DeSantis4Prez]

No, they shouldn't. I think you should be a citizen to vote. I'm for felons voting if they're actual citizens. I don't think some British dude should move here for a month and then move away.

[Indy Texas]

I think voting in municipal/local elections is reasonable since non-citizens pay the same local property taxes and sales taxes that citizens do. And those elections don't have anything to do with foreign policy or other things that could create a conflict of interest between them and their home country.

[Former President tack50]

Are there any countries in the world that allow non-citizens to vote in their elections? If so, I would be willing to let an immigrant from those countries to vote in ours, as a matter of reciprocity.  But I've never heard of one that allows it.

The EU allows EU non citizens to vote (and be elected) in local and EU elections at their country of residence and not their country of citizenship.

A good example is the 2019 Barcelona mayor race, where former French PM Manuel Valls, a French citizen is running for mayor of a Spanish city. Presumably he will vote for himself as well.

Of course that does not apply to US citizens.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Ewww no.

[Fuzzy Says: "Abolish NPR!"]

No.

Not at all.

Voting ought to be a perogative reserved for citizens, period.

[brucejoel99]

I think voting in municipal/local elections is reasonable since non-citizens pay the same local property taxes and sales taxes that citizens do. And those elections don't have anything to do with foreign policy or other things that could create a conflict of interest between them and their home country.

[Medal506]

I would be fine with letting non-citizen nationals (i.e. American Samoans) and immigrant aliens (i.e. green card holders) vote in local elections, as long as they are either a) not yet eligible to apply for citizenship, or b) have applied for citizenship within 6 months of being eligible to do so.

I don't see any reason in extending the vote to someone who has voluntarily chosen not to become an American.

Of course democrats want non citizens to vote because they have trouble winning elections with the actual American citizens

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Yes. I don't think it's a good idea to disenfranchise a huge swathe of the working class.

[Tender Branson]

Absolutely not.

Countries are not ATMs where immigrants can claim whatever they want and given rights upon their (illegal) entry.

Voting rights have to be earned by them and they can apply for citizenship if they want to vote.

[All Along The Watchtower]

I would be fine with letting non-citizen nationals (i.e. American Samoans) and immigrant aliens (i.e. green card holders) vote in local elections, as long as they are either a) not yet eligible to apply for citizenship, or b) have applied for citizenship within 6 months of being eligible to do so.

I don't see any reason in extending the vote to someone who has voluntarily chosen not to become an American.

Of course democrats want non citizens to vote because they have trouble winning elections with the actual American citizens

what, no, you're thinking of the Republicans who don't want most actual American citizens to vote

[All Along The Watchtower]

No.

Not at all.

Voting ought to be a perogative reserved for citizens, period.

Why?

[All Along The Watchtower]

Absolutely not.

Countries are not ATMs where immigrants can claim whatever they want and given rights upon their (illegal) entry.

Voting rights have to be earned by them and they can apply for citizenship if they want to vote.

TIL there are no legal immigrants

[Blue3]

No. That's the whole point of being a citizen.

Having said that, becoming a citizen shouldn't be longer or more burdensome than it has to be.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

No. That's the whole point of being a citizen.

Having said that, becoming a citizen shouldn't be longer or more burdensome than it has to be.

[NewYorkExpress]

Not full voting rights...

But I can see voting rights for anything that isn't Congress/U.S Senate/President being allowed/agreed upon by various states.