L 14.2 - Lincoln Gun Control Repeal Act of 2018 (Passed)

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Sponsor: 1184AZ
Bill designation: L 14.2

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Lincoln Assembly Bill 14.2 is now on the Assembly floor. Debate on this legislation has now begun and will last no less than 72 hours.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

This bill attempts to repeal much of our regions ineffective gun control laws which are slated to cost our region millions and will do more to harm individual that use guns for hunting and self defence than keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.

[Peanut]

Lincoln's laws regarding gun control are perfectly in accordance to the Atlasian and Lincoln constitution. What this bill does is sacrifice the well-being and safety of Lincoln's citizens for some platitute about the right to bear arms which is in no way threatened by the protections the region has in place right now. If the argument is that the laws are ineffective, the priority for this Assembly and for the region should be to make them more effective, not to completely eliminate them. Provisions of the law such as the Bump Stock Ban are perfectly reasonable and in accordance with the right to bear arms.

[Mr. Reactionary]

This was law already? It doesn't make any sense ...

1. Class C is for "Assault rifles and other semiautomatic weapons", however by every non-Lincoln definition an Assault Rifle is fully automatic, not semiautomatic.

2. Most handguns and rifles, and even some shotguns are semiautomatic. As an AK47 owner, as the law is currently written I have no idea if id have to obtain a class B license for rifles or Class C for semiautomatics. Ditto if I had a Beretta 9 mm handgun.

3. Bump stocks are considered as machine guns and are thus heavily regulated as to basically make them unavailable.

[Peanut]

This was law already? It doesn't make any sense ...

1. Class C is for "Assault rifles and other semiautomatic weapons", however by every non-Lincoln definition an Assault Rifle is fully automatic, not semiautomatic.

2. Most handguns and rifles, and even some shotguns are semiautomatic. As an AK47 owner, as the law is currently written I have no idea if id have to obtain a class B license for rifles or Class C for semiautomatics. Ditto if I had a Beretta 9 mm handgun.

3. Bump stocks are considered as machine guns and are thus heavily regulated as to basically make them unavailable.

That ties in with an earlier intervention. The solution is not to repeal this law in such a manner that there is basically no control at all, but write it in a more efficient and conscious way.

[Mr. Reactionary]

This was law already? It doesn't make any sense ...

1. Class C is for "Assault rifles and other semiautomatic weapons", however by every non-Lincoln definition an Assault Rifle is fully automatic, not semiautomatic.

2. Most handguns and rifles, and even some shotguns are semiautomatic. As an AK47 owner, as the law is currently written I have no idea if id have to obtain a class B license for rifles or Class C for semiautomatics. Ditto if I had a Beretta 9 mm handgun.

3. Bump stocks are considered as machine guns and are thus heavily regulated as to basically make them unavailable.

That ties in with an earlier intervention. The solution is not to repeal this law in such a manner that there is basically no control at all, but write it in a more efficient and conscious way.

Given that the law, as written, takes effect in less than a month but is written in such a confusing, intrusive, haphazard manner, the law should at least be postponed a year either to correct it further or have the bureaucrats explain execution better. The law needs to be heavily amended but amending it less than a month prior to taking effect will not provide govt employees or the public adequate time to figure out the law.

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

I suggest that you all repeal Section 4 since it creates unnecessary burden and invades the privacy of students.

[Sestak]

I suggest that you all repeal Section 4 since it creates unnecessary burden and invades the privacy of students.

At least read the section before advocating repealing it.

Section 4: Public School Security

i. All visitors as defined as a non-current student or faculty to a public school in Lincoln is must have any bags searched by a staff member situated at the front door before they are allowed to enter the School.

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This was law already? It doesn't make any sense ...

1. Class C is for "Assault rifles and other semiautomatic weapons", however by every non-Lincoln definition an Assault Rifle is fully automatic, not semiautomatic.

2. Most handguns and rifles, and even some shotguns are semiautomatic. As an AK47 owner, as the law is currently written I have no idea if id have to obtain a class B license for rifles or Class C for semiautomatics. Ditto if I had a Beretta 9 mm handgun.

3. Bump stocks are considered as machine guns and are thus heavily regulated as to basically make them unavailable.

That ties in with an earlier intervention. The solution is not to repeal this law in such a manner that there is basically no control at all, but write it in a more efficient and conscious way.

Given that the law, as written, takes effect in less than a month but is written in such a confusing, intrusive, haphazard manner, the law should at least be postponed a year either to correct it further or have the bureaucrats explain execution better. The law needs to be heavily amended but amending it less than a month prior to taking effect will not provide govt employees or the public adequate time to figure out the law.

I agree with Mr. R here. I do think some of the restrictions in the original bill go a bit to far, but I also think that we need some time to thoroughly debate this bill and work out all the kinks, and give Lincolnites time to give their own input and advice on the bill.

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I propose the following amendment, as a stopgap until we can get the rest worked out:

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The sponsor has 24 hours to declare whether the amendment is friendly or hostile.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

Hostile. I don’t see how the licensing system will accomplish much of anything on the subject of reducing gun violence and their are issues with other sections of this bill as well that need to be addressed.

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Hostile. I don’t see how the licensing system will accomplish much of anything on the subject of reducing gun violence and their are issues with other sections of this bill as well that need to be addressed.

Yes, and I additionally want to remove it, but first I'd rather have the date extended so we aren't still debating this and it goes into effect, as the deadline is less than a few weeks away.

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A 48-hour vote is now open on the amendment. Assembly members please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Peanut]

Aye

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Aye.

[Pragmatic Conservative]

Nay

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As all Assembly members have voted, I can now close the vote.

Aye: wxtransit, Peanut
Nay: 1184AZ

The amendment passes. Debate will now resume.

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Alright, I'll first offer this amendment to the floor. As it was brought up that bump stocks are already regulated, portions of Section 2 are rendered redundant:

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Sponsor feedback: Pending

[Mr. Reactionary]

So if Rod screams at his brother Todd "I hate you and Im going to kill you!!!" But Todd doesn't report the threat, has a crime been committed under this law if 45 days later Rod buys a hunting rifle to gift to Todd as an Im sorry present? have either Rod, Todd, or the gundealer who performed a background check committed a crime?

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So if Rod screams at his brother Todd "I hate you and Im going to kill you!!!" But Todd doesn't report the threat, has a crime been committed under this law if 45 days later Rod buys a hunting rifle to gift to Todd as an Im sorry present? have either Rod, Todd, or the gundealer who performed a background check committed a crime?

That is problematic. How would you suggest fixing it? Removing "specific citizen," and adding "public" before "specific threat"?

[Sestak]

So if Rod screams at his brother Todd "I hate you and Im going to kill you!!!" But Todd doesn't report the threat, has a crime been committed under this law if 45 days later Rod buys a hunting rifle to gift to Todd as an Im sorry present? have either Rod, Todd, or the gundealer who performed a background check committed a crime?

That is problematic. How would you suggest fixing it? Removing "specific citizen," and adding "public" before "specific threat"?

I don't think that really does a lot - this situation can still occur in public, and serious threats can still (and may be more likely to) occur in private.

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So if Rod screams at his brother Todd "I hate you and Im going to kill you!!!" But Todd doesn't report the threat, has a crime been committed under this law if 45 days later Rod buys a hunting rifle to gift to Todd as an Im sorry present? have either Rod, Todd, or the gundealer who performed a background check committed a crime?

That is problematic. How would you suggest fixing it? Removing "specific citizen," and adding "public" before "specific threat"?

I don't think that really does a lot - this situation can still occur in public, and serious threats can still (and may be more likely to) occur in private.

How could that be monitored, then?

[Mr. Reactionary]

So if Rod screams at his brother Todd "I hate you and Im going to kill you!!!" But Todd doesn't report the threat, has a crime been committed under this law if 45 days later Rod buys a hunting rifle to gift to Todd as an Im sorry present? have either Rod, Todd, or the gundealer who performed a background check committed a crime?

That is problematic. How would you suggest fixing it? Removing "specific citizen," and adding "public" before "specific threat"?

Repeal everything