This map shows how bad geography bias could have been for MN Pubs this decade
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« on: December 08, 2018, 10:44:00 PM »



The PVI are almost perfectly symmetrical, but the results would not be.

Republicans would have probably won the same 3 seats as in real life in 2012 and 2014.
In 2016, they would have lost MN-02, and possibly MN-03 if Democrats recruited a stronger candidate against Eric Paulsen, while they would not have come close in MN-01 and MN-08, which would be 6 or 7 seats for Democrats in 2016.
In 2018, they would not have been able to pick up MN-01 or MN-08, while they would definitely have lost MN-03 then had they not already in 2016, which would basically be a guaranteed 7 Democratic seats in 2018.
All this while I was not even trying to draw the districts with partisanship in mind, as the districts simply came out that way.
This shows that geography bias is brutal for Minnesota Republicans.

MN-02: R+00.42
MN-08: D+00.40

MN-01: R+03.40
MN-03: D+03.52

MN-07: R+11.71
MN-04: D+11.67

MN-06: R+15.05
MN-05: D+20.56
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2018, 11:45:37 PM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2018, 11:55:32 PM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

I was literally ignoring partisanship when drawing this map.

When drawing the twin cities metro Districts (2, 3, 4, and 5), most of Washington County ended up being leftover, and it fit best when thrown into MN-08.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2018, 12:07:41 AM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

Not really a gerrymander when the map produces 4 seats with an R PVI and 4 seats with a D PVI, not to mention when each R seat PVI has a reciprocal on the D side...
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2018, 04:17:31 AM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

Not really a gerrymander when the map produces 4 seats with an R PVI and 4 seats with a D PVI, not to mention when each R seat PVI has a reciprocal on the D side...
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2018, 03:11:49 PM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

Not really a gerrymander when the map produces 4 seats with an R PVI and 4 seats with a D PVI, not to mention when each R seat PVI has a reciprocal on the D side...

Yes, it still is a gerrymander even if it produces partisan balance.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2018, 12:33:47 PM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

Not really a gerrymander when the map produces 4 seats with an R PVI and 4 seats with a D PVI, not to mention when each R seat PVI has a reciprocal on the D side...

Yes, it still is a gerrymander even if it produces partisan balance.

Correct. Bipartisan gerrymanders were used in CA in the decades before this one to lock in specific partisan results. It's antidemocratic in the bipartisan context, too.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2018, 09:13:55 PM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

Duluth is already paired with some Twin City metro counties. Indeed, the current map is in that sense very R-favorable as very Republican Twin City MSA counties Chisago and Isanti are the Republican base in MN-08. There are weird things on this map, but that's not one of them.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2018, 11:28:18 AM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

Duluth is already paired with some Twin City metro counties. Indeed, the current map is in that sense very R-favorable as very Republican Twin City MSA counties Chisago and Isanti are the Republican base in MN-08. There are weird things on this map, but that's not one of them.

If the Democrats get total control in 2020, I would not be shocked if they brought MN-08 down into Washington county.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2018, 02:45:21 PM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

Duluth is already paired with some Twin City metro counties. Indeed, the current map is in that sense very R-favorable as very Republican Twin City MSA counties Chisago and Isanti are the Republican base in MN-08. There are weird things on this map, but that's not one of them.

If the Democrats get total control in 2020, I would not be shocked if they brought MN-08 down into Washington county.


No they won't, because MN-08 will not exist anymore.
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« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2018, 02:56:11 PM »

nice try trying to bring duluth to the twin city metro for your wet dream gerrymander solid.

Duluth is already paired with some Twin City metro counties. Indeed, the current map is in that sense very R-favorable as very Republican Twin City MSA counties Chisago and Isanti are the Republican base in MN-08. There are weird things on this map, but that's not one of them.

If the Democrats get total control in 2020, I would not be shocked if they brought MN-08 down into Washington county.


No they won't, because MN-08 will not exist anymore.

Much more likely that Duluth ends up paired with western MN (Moorhead etc.), assuming Peterson survives 2020. That's also the only real way to keep Duluth out of the Twin Cities MSA entirely.
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