Opinion of Martin Luther

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

FF for standing up to bad theology and trying to reform the Church, HP for leading to the deaths of countless people and irreversibly fracturing Christianity.

So both, like I said.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Freedom Fighter!!!
Thanks to him we Protestant northern states have a legal holiday on Wednesday since from this year on. Nevertheless, the Catholic southern states still have more public holidays than us.

[SNJ1985]

Happy Reformation Day.

[136or142]

Better than John Calvin (born Jean Cauvin) nowhere near as good as Erasmus of Rotterdam.

[completely dead account]

Hp.

[Georg Ebner]

Better than John Calvin (born Jean Cauvin)

That's true.
CALVIN had an incredible memory full of St.AUGUSTINE, but what did it help? As a narrow-minded lawyer (Roman heritage) He perverted PreDestination - originally an expression of confidence to HIS mercy - into a cold&dark mechanistical system. A self-righteous moralistic perfectionism leading to GOD's abdication. A Pelagianism (contrary to the original intention of LUTHER).

[DC Al Fine]

Calvin... Pelagian. Oh my.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Calvin... Pelagian. Oh my.

I can somewhat see what he means. Both deny God's agency and discretion.

[DC Al Fine]

Calvin... Pelagian. Oh my.

I can somewhat see what he means. Both deny God's agency and discretion.

How does Calvinism deny God's agency? The entire theology could be summarized in Psalm 115:3; "Our God is in the heavens, he does whatever he pleases."

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Calvin... Pelagian. Oh my.

I can somewhat see what he means. Both deny God's agency and discretion.

How does Calvinism deny God's agency? The entire theology could be summarized in Psalm 115:3; "Our God is in the heavens, he does whatever he pleases."

It sees God as implacable and unchanging. Indeed, the whole rotten doctrine of predestination, at least as far as Calvinists typically present it, is based on everything being already predetermined, nevermind that it means that God must have planned Adam's fall.

[DC Al Fine]

Calvin... Pelagian. Oh my.

I can somewhat see what he means. Both deny God's agency and discretion.

How does Calvinism deny God's agency? The entire theology could be summarized in Psalm 115:3; "Our God is in the heavens, he does whatever he pleases."

It sees God as implacable and unchanging. Indeed, the whole rotten doctrine of predestination, at least as far as Calvinists typically present it, is based on everything being already predetermined, nevermind that it means that God must have planned Adam's fall.

Again, I'm a bit confused on this criticism. Rome (and I believe Wittenberg and Constantinople) teach that God is unchanging just like Geneva, so I'm not sure why we're getting put in the same box with Pelagianism.

[gottsu]

HP (raised as a Roman Catholic says that). He was just an typical right-wingish, individualist, arrogant and cocky Protestant. Such Protestant culture could only develop in where he lived (Germany) and the rest of Western Europe (except Iberian Peninsula and Ireland). All three main branches of Christianity have flaws, the flaw of Protestants is that they think they are in some way better than Catholics, it goes about that sense of superiority - it's horrible.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Clear FF despite the obvious black marks. The theological ideas he brought to Christianity were sorely needed, even if they were later taken too far, and it's impossible for anyone to honestly argue he was wrong in his critique of the Church's behavior.

[gottsu]

and it's impossible for anyone to honestly argue he was wrong in his critique of the Church's behavior.

Because he was mostly right in critique, but he wasn't right about the methods of critique.

[RINO Tom]

Clear FF despite the obvious black marks. The theological ideas he brought to Christianity were sorely needed, even if they were later taken too far, and it's impossible for anyone to honestly argue he was wrong in his critique of the Church's behavior.

Finally a logical response on the dude, thank you.