The Official 2020 Census Thread

[Gass3268]

NYT article came out. Seems conservative judges are united on this issue. Looking like the undemocratic and disgustingly racist citizenship question will be on the census after all. Yuck.

Non-citizens are not a „race“. Adding the question is legitimate of course.

Even though the process and procedures that they took to add the question was literally against the laws put in place by Congress, but that's okay because it was a Republican administration that did it.

[Gass3268]

Ugh. The Democrats are done if the citizenship question is allowed to stand.

Yup, because the next will be states choosing to redistrict based on the number of citizens rather than people. There is not much they can do about the distribution of congressional seats as the Constitution literally says people, then again this court shows it doesn't care as long as it helps Republicans. However, there is nothing that says that internal redistricting has to be done by people.

This is just another reason why it's time to pack the courts. It's already an illegitimate institution with a stolen Justice and two rapists.  

[Nyvin]

NYT article came out. Seems conservative judges are united on this issue. Looking like the undemocratic and disgustingly racist citizenship question will be on the census after all. Yuck.

I think the affects are being overblown by many, although I still disagree about having the question on there.

[DrScholl]

NYT article came out. Seems conservative judges are united on this issue. Looking like the undemocratic and disgustingly racist citizenship question will be on the census after all. Yuck.

Non-citizens are not a „race“. Adding the question is legitimate of course.

The point of the question is to target a particular group of non-citizens. Let's not pretend this question is being proposed out of concern about undocumented immigrants from Norway or Iceland.

[Gass3268]

NYT article came out. Seems conservative judges are united on this issue. Looking like the undemocratic and disgustingly racist citizenship question will be on the census after all. Yuck.

I think the affects are being overblown by many, although I still disagree about having the question on there.

The problem is going to be the next step.

[Virginiá]

NYT article came out. Seems conservative judges are united on this issue. Looking like the undemocratic and disgustingly racist citizenship question will be on the census after all. Yuck.

I think the affects are being overblown by many, although I still disagree about having the question on there.

It's less about the effect it will have in the actual counting process (imo) than what will happen with the data after. Republicans in some states have made it fairly obvious they wish to draw legislative districts using citizens only, or possibly even eligible voters only, which would be insane, given that children/teenagers would be excluded even though they are citizens and will be eligible voters - some within mere year(s).

[Gass3268]

NYT article came out. Seems conservative judges are united on this issue. Looking like the undemocratic and disgustingly racist citizenship question will be on the census after all. Yuck.

I think the affects are being overblown by many, although I still disagree about having the question on there.

It's less about the effect it will have in the actual counting process (imo) than what will happen with the data after. Republicans in some states have made it fairly obvious they wish to draw legislative districts using citizens only, or possibly even eligible voters only, which would be insane, given that children/teenagers would be excluded even though they are citizens and will be eligible voters - some within mere year(s).

That being said, regardless of this case, Democrats have to do everything in their power to make sure people fully fill out the census.

[Tender Branson]

Democrats need to accept the ruling (if they indeed vote in favour), stop whining and encourage the non-citizens and their families to participate.

Everything else will hurt the Dems. There’s also a lot of misinformation out, for example that Census Data will be shared with ICE etc. which is absolutely not the case. Democrats therefore need to promote the confidentiality part among the non-citizens to remove the overblown fear among this group.

[Tender Branson]

Americans strongly favour the inclusion of the Citizenship Question, even Blacks and Latinos:

The Hill/HarrisX Poll: Majority of Americans Want Citizenship Question on the Census, Including Hispanics

6 in 10 registered voters, 60 percent, in a Hill-HarrisX survey released Tuesday said that the U.S. Census Bureau should ask the citizenship question. Another 21 percent said the question should not be included, while 19 percent were unsure.

Despite partisan differences, a majority of voters from all demographics included in the Hill-HarrisX survey said they believed the citizenship question should be included.

White voters overwhelmingly supported the question, with 65 percent in favor and 17 percent opposed. Black respondents favored asking about citizenship by a 53-19 percent margin.  Hispanic respondents supported it, 53-28 percent.

Link

[smoltchanov]

Americans strongly favour the inclusion of the Citizenship Question, even Blacks and Latinos:

The Hill/HarrisX Poll: Majority of Americans Want Citizenship Question on the Census, Including Hispanics

6 in 10 registered voters, 60 percent, in a Hill-HarrisX survey released Tuesday said that the U.S. Census Bureau should ask the citizenship question. Another 21 percent said the question should not be included, while 19 percent were unsure.

Despite partisan differences, a majority of voters from all demographics included in the Hill-HarrisX survey said they believed the citizenship question should be included.

White voters overwhelmingly supported the question, with 65 percent in favor and 17 percent opposed. Black respondents favored asking about citizenship by a 53-19 percent margin.  Hispanic respondents supported it, 53-28 percent.

Link

Well, being disadvantageous (and for Democrats it's surely is) doesn't automatically makes a question wrong...

[Tender Branson]

Americans strongly favour the inclusion of the Citizenship Question, even Blacks and Latinos:

The Hill/HarrisX Poll: Majority of Americans Want Citizenship Question on the Census, Including Hispanics

6 in 10 registered voters, 60 percent, in a Hill-HarrisX survey released Tuesday said that the U.S. Census Bureau should ask the citizenship question. Another 21 percent said the question should not be included, while 19 percent were unsure.

Despite partisan differences, a majority of voters from all demographics included in the Hill-HarrisX survey said they believed the citizenship question should be included.

White voters overwhelmingly supported the question, with 65 percent in favor and 17 percent opposed. Black respondents favored asking about citizenship by a 53-19 percent margin.  Hispanic respondents supported it, 53-28 percent.

Link

Well, being disadvantageous (and for Democrats it's surely is) doesn't automatically makes a question wrong...

It wouldn't be disadvantageous for the Democrats, if they would accept the ruling (if yes) and encourage their base and the illegals to take part in the Census.

[Tender Branson]

Reuters/Ipsos confirms that Americans support the citizenship question by a huge margin:

"Do you approve or disapprove of the Census asking about people's citizenship status ?"

67% approve
23% disapprove

"During the next Census, you may be asked about your citizenship status. What do you think is the primary reason this information is being collected ?"

30% This is a standard recordkeeping and reporting procedure
21% Improve counts of U.S. residents in every community
26% Help enforce US immigration laws and detain illegal immigrants
  8% Undercount immigrant communities

Link

A quarter of Americans are incredibly stupid, because confidentiality assures that no collected citizenship data is forwarded to ICE etc.

[OctoCube]

A quarter of Americans are incredibly stupid, because confidentiality assures that no collected citizenship data is forwarded to ICE etc.

These people aren't stupid, and it's not productive to paint with a huge brush. It's a misinformed opinion, but the best thing to do is combat it, people dig in their heels if you attack them first.

[Tender Branson]

A quarter of Americans are incredibly stupid, because confidentiality assures that no collected citizenship data is forwarded to ICE etc.

These people aren't stupid, and it's not productive to paint with a huge brush. It's a misinformed opinion, but the best thing to do is combat it, people dig in their heels if you attack them first.

I meant stupid in a way that they blindly believe the misinformation campaign of the Democrats and other very leftist groups.

And yes, this misinformation needs to be combated and especially the Dems should inform people to participate ...

[freepcrusher]

I'm going to have to side with the conservatives on this issue. The question has been asked before (granted its been 70 years but still) so what would be an issue with asking it again?

[Tender Branson]

I'm going to have to side with the conservatives on this issue. The question has been asked before (granted its been 70 years but still) so what would be an issue with asking it again?

There is no issue.

Rs and Ds try to make something political out of the Census operation, but this is something where politics has no place.

Let's take a different look: If the US had a civil registration system like most European countries, every child born would be automatically registered by citizenship. So would every immigrant coming to the US or the status would be changed to US citizen when being naturalized. That's why the "Citizenship question" isn't even a topic here in European countries during a Census, because everything is already in the database.

The Democrats and extremely leftist interest groups claim that the Citizenship question would lead to a so-called "undercount", but at the same time the 2020 Census offers more opportunities to respond than ever before (online, phone, paper and backup visit by Census takers).

Of course there could be an "undercount" of the population, but that is mostly because Americans are getting lazier than ever before to respond to surveys (= see lower and lower response rates in political polls).

But the Census is a civic duty and as many people as possible should respond here, free from politics.

Therefore, the Democrats need to stop their misinformation campaign that is only alienating non-citizens from the civic process because they fear that their census data is forwarded to ICE for deportation (that is total bullsh*t of course).

[QAnonKelly]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

[Slander and/or Libel]

Americans strongly favour the inclusion of the Citizenship Question, even Blacks and Latinos:

The Hill/HarrisX Poll: Majority of Americans Want Citizenship Question on the Census, Including Hispanics

6 in 10 registered voters, 60 percent, in a Hill-HarrisX survey released Tuesday said that the U.S. Census Bureau should ask the citizenship question. Another 21 percent said the question should not be included, while 19 percent were unsure.

Despite partisan differences, a majority of voters from all demographics included in the Hill-HarrisX survey said they believed the citizenship question should be included.

White voters overwhelmingly supported the question, with 65 percent in favor and 17 percent opposed. Black respondents favored asking about citizenship by a 53-19 percent margin.  Hispanic respondents supported it, 53-28 percent.

Link

Census policy isn't decided by plebescite.

[Tender Branson]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

So, they are planning to use the citizenship data to re-district by citizenship ?

That may sound absurd to many on the Left, but is already practiced in countries such as Germany or Austria.

The number of seats allocated to states or districts for our parliaments is allocated by citizenship and not by the overall number of the population.

After all, voting is only granted to citizens in elections as well ...

You may find that absurd from a leftist point of view, but it would be consistent.

[QAnonKelly]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

Remember the iron rule of politics: If you're arguing procedure, you're losing.

So it’s okay to put something in last minute even though they spend ten years testing the questions and lie under oath about it? Their point about the VRA is ludicrous

[GP270watch]

Trump isn't a President who follows norms or laws for that matter. So you can understand why certain communities are skeptical of the Census, when he's running the show.

[Tender Branson]

CNN:

Decision by the Supreme Court on the citizenship question will come very soon.

www.cnn.com/2019/06/06/politics/census-supreme-court/index.html

Census forms will need to be printed in the next couple weeks, the advertising strategy has to start so that as many people possible take part in the operation and address updates have to be made in the fall. Therefore the ruling is critical.

[Tender Branson]

The Census Bureau has started their final field test on Thursday, which will run through August.

It will determine the effects of the citizenship question on the response rate.

For this, the Census Bureau has selected about 500.000 random households in the US who will get test forms by mail over the next weeks.

About 250.000 of them can fill out a form without the citizenship question, while the other control group of 250.000 households will get forms with the question.

JUNE 11, 2019 — The U.S. Census Bureau announced today that the 2019 Census Test will begin this week, as approximately 480,000 housing units across the country receive a questionnaire testing the operational effects of including a citizenship question on the 2020 Census. The 2019 Census Test will randomly assign households to two panels and ask them to respond to the 2020 Census questions. Panel A will include the question on citizenship, Panel B will not.  

Findings from the nationwide test will assist in determining updates to 2020 Census operations, such as how many census takers are needed to follow up with nonresponding households and how to better communicate with households about the 2020 Census.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2019/2019-test-begins.html

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/13/731629018/as-legal-battle-persists-census-citizenship-question-is-put-to-the-test

[Tender Branson]

Here is an update about the online component & security issues in the 2020 Census:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/online-2020-census-faces-cyber-threats-untested-systems

[T'Chenka]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

So, they are planning to use the citizenship data to re-district by citizenship ?

That may sound absurd to many on the Left, but is already practiced in countries such as Germany or Austria.

The number of seats allocated to states or districts for our parliaments is allocated by citizenship and not by the overall number of the population.

After all, voting is only granted to citizens in elections as well ...

You may find that absurd from a leftist point of view, but it would be consistent.

It wouldn't be consistent with the Constitution though, which says the total population must be counted, but does not specify citizenship. If you live somewhere permenantly, you are part of the population.