The Official 2020 Census Thread

[Tender Branson]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

So, they are planning to use the citizenship data to re-district by citizenship ?

That may sound absurd to many on the Left, but is already practiced in countries such as Germany or Austria.

The number of seats allocated to states or districts for our parliaments is allocated by citizenship and not by the overall number of the population.

After all, voting is only granted to citizens in elections as well ...

You may find that absurd from a leftist point of view, but it would be consistent.

It wouldn't be consistent with the Constitution though, which says the total population must be counted, but does not specify citizenship. If you live somewhere permenantly, you are part of the population.

You are wrong.

You are spinning it as if non-citizens are not counted. That is not the case.

All people in the US are counted in the 2020 Census, citizenship is only a sub-question of the whole census form.

Which means every non-citizen in the US still has the free will and opportunity to be counted. The Democrats just need to stop their fear-based campaign, as well as all the non-citizens who are potentially afraid, because there is nothing to fear. Every non-citizen can easily fill out their census form anonymously over the Internet and none of their data will be forwarded to ICE etc. - because everything is protected under strict privacy laws.

[Slander and/or Libel]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

So, they are planning to use the citizenship data to re-district by citizenship ?

That may sound absurd to many on the Left, but is already practiced in countries such as Germany or Austria.

The number of seats allocated to states or districts for our parliaments is allocated by citizenship and not by the overall number of the population.

After all, voting is only granted to citizens in elections as well ...

You may find that absurd from a leftist point of view, but it would be consistent.

It wouldn't be consistent with the Constitution though, which says the total population must be counted, but does not specify citizenship. If you live somewhere permenantly, you are part of the population.

You are wrong.

You are spinning it as if non-citizens are not counted. That is not the case.

All people in the US are counted in the 2020 Census, citizenship is only a sub-question of the whole census form.

Which means every non-citizen in the US still has the free will and opportunity to be counted. The Democrats just need to stop their fear-based campaign, as well as all the non-citizens who are potentially afraid, because there is nothing to fear. Every non-citizen can easily fill out their census form anonymously over the Internet and none of their data will be forwarded to ICE etc. - because everything is protected under strict privacy laws.

When the president of the united states is out there proclaiming that he's going to send secret police out to round up and deport non-citizens, you don't think that would have an effect on whether those non-citizens would want to answer a census with a question on it identifying them as non-citizens? Perhaps everything is protected under law. That's fine. But if you were a non-citizen, would you place your full confidence in your and your family's well-being on that law?

[Tender Branson]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

So, they are planning to use the citizenship data to re-district by citizenship ?

That may sound absurd to many on the Left, but is already practiced in countries such as Germany or Austria.

The number of seats allocated to states or districts for our parliaments is allocated by citizenship and not by the overall number of the population.

After all, voting is only granted to citizens in elections as well ...

You may find that absurd from a leftist point of view, but it would be consistent.

It wouldn't be consistent with the Constitution though, which says the total population must be counted, but does not specify citizenship. If you live somewhere permenantly, you are part of the population.

You are wrong.

You are spinning it as if non-citizens are not counted. That is not the case.

All people in the US are counted in the 2020 Census, citizenship is only a sub-question of the whole census form.

Which means every non-citizen in the US still has the free will and opportunity to be counted. The Democrats just need to stop their fear-based campaign, as well as all the non-citizens who are potentially afraid, because there is nothing to fear. Every non-citizen can easily fill out their census form anonymously over the Internet and none of their data will be forwarded to ICE etc. - because everything is protected under strict privacy laws.

When the president of the united states is out there proclaiming that he's going to send secret police out to round up and deport non-citizens, you don't think that would have an effect on whether those non-citizens would want to answer a census with a question on it identifying them as non-citizens? Perhaps everything is protected under law. That's fine. But if you were a non-citizen, would you place your full confidence in your and your family's well-being on that law?

YES !

As I have said, every person (which includes non-citizens) in the US can easily fill out their census form anonymously over the Internet. The entries are definitely not checked to single out random people or something and Trump can say whatever he wants about immigrants. No information will be used to locate non-citizens for deportation. Otherwise, it would be a breach of law and Trump would be impeached.

And because the Census results are only released in January 2021, it's not even clear if Trump would still be in office then and the next government could reverse such outrageous breach of law deportation orders.

[T'Chenka]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

So, they are planning to use the citizenship data to re-district by citizenship ?

That may sound absurd to many on the Left, but is already practiced in countries such as Germany or Austria.

The number of seats allocated to states or districts for our parliaments is allocated by citizenship and not by the overall number of the population.

After all, voting is only granted to citizens in elections as well ...

You may find that absurd from a leftist point of view, but it would be consistent.

It wouldn't be consistent with the Constitution though, which says the total population must be counted, but does not specify citizenship. If you live somewhere permenantly, you are part of the population.

You are wrong.

You are spinning it as if non-citizens are not counted. That is not the case.

All people in the US are counted in the 2020 Census, citizenship is only a sub-question of the whole census form.

Which means every non-citizen in the US still has the free will and opportunity to be counted. The Democrats just need to stop their fear-based campaign, as well as all the non-citizens who are potentially afraid, because there is nothing to fear. Every non-citizen can easily fill out their census form anonymously over the Internet and none of their data will be forwarded to ICE etc. - because everything is protected under strict privacy laws.

When the president of the united states is out there proclaiming that he's going to send secret police out to round up and deport non-citizens, you don't think that would have an effect on whether those non-citizens would want to answer a census with a question on it identifying them as non-citizens? Perhaps everything is protected under law. That's fine. But if you were a non-citizen, would you place your full confidence in your and your family's well-being on that law?

YES !

As I have said, every person (which includes non-citizens) in the US can easily fill out their census form anonymously over the Internet. The entries are definitely not checked to single out random people or something and Trump can say whatever he wants about immigrants. No information will be used to locate non-citizens for deportation. Otherwise, it would be a breach of law and Trump would be impeached.

And because the Census results are only released in January 2021, it's not even clear if Trump would still be in office then and the next government could reverse such outrageous breach of law deportation orders.

The government right now is not showing much inclination to impeach Trump over breach of law, sadly and patheticly.

[Tender Branson]

The question in and of itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the manner in which the question was included and what they plan to use said question for.

So, they are planning to use the citizenship data to re-district by citizenship ?

That may sound absurd to many on the Left, but is already practiced in countries such as Germany or Austria.

The number of seats allocated to states or districts for our parliaments is allocated by citizenship and not by the overall number of the population.

After all, voting is only granted to citizens in elections as well ...

You may find that absurd from a leftist point of view, but it would be consistent.

It wouldn't be consistent with the Constitution though, which says the total population must be counted, but does not specify citizenship. If you live somewhere permenantly, you are part of the population.

You are wrong.

You are spinning it as if non-citizens are not counted. That is not the case.

All people in the US are counted in the 2020 Census, citizenship is only a sub-question of the whole census form.

Which means every non-citizen in the US still has the free will and opportunity to be counted. The Democrats just need to stop their fear-based campaign, as well as all the non-citizens who are potentially afraid, because there is nothing to fear. Every non-citizen can easily fill out their census form anonymously over the Internet and none of their data will be forwarded to ICE etc. - because everything is protected under strict privacy laws.

When the president of the united states is out there proclaiming that he's going to send secret police out to round up and deport non-citizens, you don't think that would have an effect on whether those non-citizens would want to answer a census with a question on it identifying them as non-citizens? Perhaps everything is protected under law. That's fine. But if you were a non-citizen, would you place your full confidence in your and your family's well-being on that law?

YES !

As I have said, every person (which includes non-citizens) in the US can easily fill out their census form anonymously over the Internet. The entries are definitely not checked to single out random people or something and Trump can say whatever he wants about immigrants. No information will be used to locate non-citizens for deportation. Otherwise, it would be a breach of law and Trump would be impeached.

And because the Census results are only released in January 2021, it's not even clear if Trump would still be in office then and the next government could reverse such outrageous breach of law deportation orders.

The government right now is not showing much inclination to impeach Trump over breach of law, sadly and patheticly.

Doesn't matter.

What I posted is still true: Non-citizens don't have to be afraid and can easily fill out the forms.

If Trump tries to blatantly break the law by using the confidential Census data to single them out for deportation, a federal court will instantly weigh in and stop such a practice.

[Gass3268]

Another idea would be to just have everyone boycott the citizenship question, but answer the rest.

[Gass3268]

Looks like their could be a delay due to the new evidence:

https://twitter.com/hansilowang/status/1141423461539205120

[Tender Branson]

Looks like their could be a delay due to the new evidence.

There will certainly be no delay in the ruling just because some MD judge is pissed off.

The SC will rule today, tomorrow or next week already because census forms have to be printed in early July.

[Tender Branson]

Another idea would be to just have everyone boycott the citizenship question, but answer the rest.

Stop advocating for such blatant fraud and unscientific behaviour.

A costly operation like the 10-year census deserves detailed and accurate information by everyone who fills it out.

[Gass3268]

Looks like their could be a delay due to the new evidence.

There will certainly be no delay in the ruling just because some MD judge is pissed off.

The SC will rule today, tomorrow or next week already because census forms have to be printed in early July.

This isn't just "some MD judge," this is the judge that originally heard the case.

[Tender Branson]

Looks like their could be a delay due to the new evidence.

There will certainly be no delay in the ruling just because some MD judge is pissed off.

The SC will rule today, tomorrow or next week already because census forms have to be printed in early July.

This isn't just "some MD judge," this is the judge that originally heard the case.

He's one of 5 or so judges who dealt with random census whining cases ...

The SC should not (and very likely will not) consider this whining and go ahead with their ruling.

No need to jeopardize the census operation with a delayed ruling (as I have said, the census forms need to be printed).

[Nyvin]

Looks like their could be a delay due to the new evidence.

There will certainly be no delay in the ruling just because some MD judge is pissed off.

The SC will rule today, tomorrow or next week already because census forms have to be printed in early July.

This isn't just "some MD judge," this is the judge that originally heard the case.

He's one of 5 or so judges who dealt with random census whining cases ...

The SC should not (and very likely will not) consider this whining and go ahead with their ruling.

No need to jeopardize the census operation with a delayed ruling (as I have said, the census forms need to be printed).

It looks pretty compelling that the decision will be delayed due to the Hofeller evidence.

[Gass3268]

Looks like their could be a delay due to the new evidence.

There will certainly be no delay in the ruling just because some MD judge is pissed off.

The SC will rule today, tomorrow or next week already because census forms have to be printed in early July.

This isn't just "some MD judge," this is the judge that originally heard the case.

He's one of 5 or so judges who dealt with random census whining cases ...

The SC should not (and very likely will not) consider this whining and go ahead with their ruling.

No need to jeopardize the census operation with a delayed ruling (as I have said, the census forms need to be printed).

It looks pretty compelling that the decision will be delayed due to the Hofeller evidence.

The 4th Circuit Court is getting involved now.

https://twitter.com/hansilowang/status/1141793751079239680

[Tender Branson]

FL-Gov. DeSantis (R): "I won't help to ensure an accurate census count in Florida. It is none of my business."

As the entire nation anticipates a crucial U.S. Supreme Court decision on whether the 2020 Census will include a citizenship question, Gov. Ron DeSantis said definitively that the state will not help to make sure Floridians are accurately counted.

“The federal government does that. We don’t have a role in it,” he said as he got into an elevator shortly after a Thursday event in Sarasota. “They administer it, and they should administer it how they see fit.”

DeSantis’ comment outright rejects the idea raised by several Democratic lawmakers that he should create a Census Statewide Count Committee, as several other states have done, to ensure as many people are counted as possible. Already, Florida has scores of local Census committees dedicated to overcoming language barriers and befriending community leaders to encourage maximum participation.

DeSantis said any lawmakers with concerns “should talk to the Commerce Department in Washington.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article231805553.html

What a moron ...

[Gass3268]

4th Circuit is sending he case back down to the original judge:

https://twitter.com/scotusreporter/status/1143576867703787526?s=21

[Tender Branson]

That's completely meaningless, because the SC will almost definitely rule tomorrow already on this issue.

There is still a small chance though that they will find the citizenship question illegal ...

[Tender Branson]

Telemundo/Mason Dixon poll of Latinos in 4 important states:

QUESTION: Do you plan to participate in the 2020 U.S. Census?

CA: 93-4 Yes
TX: 94-3 Yes
FL: 92-4 Yes
NY: 93-3 Yes

QUESTION: Do you support or oppose including a question regarding legal status or U.S. citizenship in the 2020 U.S. Census?

CA: 50-38 Support
TX: 50-37 Support
FL: 58-32 Support
NY: 48-42 Support

https://www.nbcumv.com/news/telemundo-station-group-hispanic-opinion-poll-hispanics-ca-tx-fl-and-new-york-city-are-more

[Slander and/or Libel]

Telemundo/Mason Dixon poll of Latinos in 4 important states:

QUESTION: Do you plan to participate in the 2020 U.S. Census?

CA: 93-4 Yes
TX: 94-3 Yes
FL: 92-4 Yes
NY: 93-3 Yes

QUESTION: Do you support or oppose including a question regarding legal status or U.S. citizenship in the 2020 U.S. Census?

CA: 50-38 Support
TX: 50-37 Support
FL: 58-32 Support
NY: 48-42 Support

https://www.nbcumv.com/news/telemundo-station-group-hispanic-opinion-poll-hispanics-ca-tx-fl-and-new-york-city-are-more

The Supreme Court doesn't, and shouldn't, operate on popular opinion. Neither should the people in charge of ensuring the census has the most accurate count possible. This is idiocy.

[Gass3268]

This case is getting nuts.

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1143664830127202304

[Tender Branson]

What does it mean for normal people who have not studied US law ?

[Tender Branson]

Just announced:

The Supreme Court will rule on the case tomorrow.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-cases/supreme-court-to-issue-census-electoral-map-rulings-on-thursday-idUSKCN1TR2EZ

[Gass3268]

Just announced:

The Supreme Court will rule on the case tomorrow.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-cases/supreme-court-to-issue-census-electoral-map-rulings-on-thursday-idUSKCN1TR2EZ

It is possible that ruling is that they push it back down to the lower courts.

[Tender Branson]

Just announced:

The Supreme Court will rule on the case tomorrow.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-cases/supreme-court-to-issue-census-electoral-map-rulings-on-thursday-idUSKCN1TR2EZ

It is possible that ruling is that they push it back down to the lower courts.

Highly unlikely.

The forms need to be printed starting next week, so why would they push it back ?

[Slander and/or Libel]

Just announced:

The Supreme Court will rule on the case tomorrow.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-cases/supreme-court-to-issue-census-electoral-map-rulings-on-thursday-idUSKCN1TR2EZ

It is possible that ruling is that they push it back down to the lower courts.

Highly unlikely.

The forms need to be printed starting next week, so why would they push it back ?

Because of a large amount of extremely relevant new evidence that has emerged?

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/rickhasen/status/1143944480162111488