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« on: December 30, 2018, 08:03:29 pm »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-guns/brazils-president-elect-plans-decree-allowing-wider-gun-ownership-idUSKCN1OS0HN

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Brazilís far-right President-elect Jair Bolsonaro said on Saturday he plans to issue a decree allowing all Brazilians without criminal records to own firearms, welcome news to many core supporters who want him to loosen Brazilís strict gun laws.

ďBy decree, we plan to guarantee the ownership of firearms by citizens without criminal records,Ē Bolsonaro, who takes office on Jan. 1, wrote on Twitter on Saturday.

He did not provide additional details and it was not immediately clear what mechanisms Bolsonaro would have at his disposal to carry out such a decree, or what specific measures the decree would contain. Brazilís Congress is already discussing measures to loosen gun control laws.

Meanwhile, the National Rifle Association is wishing Boisanaro was American.
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 08:10:57 pm »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2018, 08:19:07 pm »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Revolution! I'm all for it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2018, 08:41:56 pm »

Glorious News!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2018, 08:51:44 pm »

A broken clock is right twice a day.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2018, 09:51:51 pm »

Nice. I hope Bolsonaro's election unleashes a right-wing wave through South America like the Pink Tide in the 2000's.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2018, 10:19:18 pm »

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-guns/brazils-president-elect-plans-decree-allowing-wider-gun-ownership-idUSKCN1OS0HN

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Brazilís far-right President-elect Jair Bolsonaro said on Saturday he plans to issue a decree allowing all Brazilians without criminal records to own firearms, welcome news to many core supporters who want him to loosen Brazilís strict gun laws.

ďBy decree, we plan to guarantee the ownership of firearms by citizens without criminal records,Ē Bolsonaro, who takes office on Jan. 1, wrote on Twitter on Saturday.

He did not provide additional details and it was not immediately clear what mechanisms Bolsonaro would have at his disposal to carry out such a decree, or what specific measures the decree would contain. Brazilís Congress is already discussing measures to loosen gun control laws.

Meanwhile, the National Rifle Association is wishing Boisanaro was American.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2018, 10:25:39 pm »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Revolution! I'm all for it.

South America's new slogan,

'At Least we're not Africa!'
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2018, 10:27:08 pm »

A broken clock is right twice a day.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2018, 12:12:58 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2018, 12:29:40 am »

That's like birthday, Christmas and Easter combined for our Glock sales representatives ...

But bad for the Brasilians.
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2018, 12:57:11 am »

A broken clock is right twice a day.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2018, 01:06:33 am »

This is the opposite of what fascists do.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2018, 01:38:33 am »

This is the opposite of what fascists do.

Bolsonaro is a right-wing populist with fascist admirations / tendencies.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2018, 02:16:25 am »

A broken clock is right twice a day.
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2018, 02:25:35 am »

Is Boisanaro a pejorative or something?
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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2018, 02:39:33 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.

There is a line of logic that goes something like -

I want to be populist to prove I am in in touch with the "white working class", so I need to be Socially Conservative. I don't want to be nasty to immigrants, cos that's racist; and I don't want to be nasty to LGBT people, cos that's homophobic - so how about guns and abortion? They don't affect me in any way whatsoever, so may as well have them as my token "Socially Conservative" issues, right?
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2018, 02:44:04 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.

There is a line of logic that goes something like -

I want to be populist to prove I am in in touch with the "white working class", so I need to be Socially Conservative. I don't want to be nasty to immigrants, cos that's racist; and I don't want to be nasty to LGBT people, cos that's homophobic - so how about guns and abortion? They don't affect me in any way whatsoever, so may as well have them as my token "Socially Conservative" issues, right?

I'm always surprised how many Dems here support gun rights so strongly. It's basically the equivalent of climate denial.
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2018, 02:47:29 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.

There is a line of logic that goes something like -

I want to be populist to prove I am in in touch with the "white working class", so I need to be Socially Conservative. I don't want to be nasty to immigrants, cos that's racist; and I don't want to be nasty to LGBT people, cos that's homophobic - so how about guns and abortion? They don't affect me in any way whatsoever, so may as well have them as my token "Socially Conservative" issues, right?

I'm pretty sure most "populists" support abortion rights, so it's only guns.

https://socialistra.org/news/killer-mike-endorses-socialist-rifle-association

Comrades in arms brother.
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2018, 03:04:02 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.


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Or just maybe it's to do with the gross levels of income inequality, racial inequality and conflict and a non-existent welfare state and social fabric.
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2018, 03:55:17 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.


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Or just maybe it's to do with the gross levels of income inequality, racial inequality and conflict and a non-existent welfare state and social fabric.

Mass non-terroristic gun shootings aren't equivalent to homicides of all sorts, and those mass-shootings are massively more frequent in the US than in the rest of the world, there's just no denying it. It's funny how pro gun socialists and libertarians both blame poor people for gun violence- stop muddying the water, mass shootings aren't rare at all even in the whitest, most well-to-do neighborhoods. Not everything is caused by economic woes.
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2018, 04:10:07 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2018, 04:13:54 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.


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Or just maybe it's to do with the gross levels of income inequality, racial inequality and conflict and a non-existent welfare state and social fabric.

Mass non-terroristic gun shootings aren't equivalent to homicides of all sorts, and those mass-shootings are massively more frequent in the US than in the rest of the world, there's just no denying it. It's funny how pro gun socialists and libertarians both blame poor people for gun violence- stop muddying the water, mass shootings aren't rare at all even in the whitest, most well-to-do neighborhoods. Not everything is caused by economic woes.

A homicide is a homicide though, whether it is "mass" or not. Gun Control only stops mass shootings and results in homicides being done by other means and has a negligible impact on the homicide rate (which is the relevant crime rate when discussing gun control).

Homicides are much more frequent in us than the rest of the (western world) but that's not due to loose gun laws. Data and results from other countries show there is no correlation between homicides, violent crimes and gun control. Australia enacted major gun control, NZ did not, both countries had a lowering of the homicide rate the by the same rate.

Switzerland has loose gun control and a low homicide rate and very rare mass shooting. Again the issue is not to do with gun control.
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2018, 04:16:07 am »

I mean the most obvious relationship that chart suggests is between poverty/inequality and violence; but ince you control for that there's obviously a correlation between guns and murders; and restricting access to guns would save thousands of lives. Which is the most important thing

(And in Brazil's case, obviously social dislocation is the cause, so address that. More guns just means more dead people)
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2018, 04:20:34 am »

A huge uptake in people owning firearms in a country whose social fabric is already being torn apart at the seams?

What could go wrong...

Also, Atlas "lefties" are so terrible on this issue. If you wanna be #populists, be populists on the backs of your own school kids. Don't strive for other countries to become shooting-infested nations like your country. It's not even funny seeing all of you cheer for this with the full knowledge that dozens of kids are dying every year in your country because of gun violence, with weak gun control being the only thing differentiating you from other countries and thus the probable cause for these deaths- it's disgusting.


Img


Or just maybe it's to do with the gross levels of income inequality, racial inequality and conflict and a non-existent welfare state and social fabric.

Mass non-terroristic gun shootings aren't equivalent to homicides of all sorts, and those mass-shootings are massively more frequent in the US than in the rest of the world, there's just no denying it. It's funny how pro gun socialists and libertarians both blame poor people for gun violence- stop muddying the water, mass shootings aren't rare at all even in the whitest, most well-to-do neighborhoods. Not everything is caused by economic woes.

A homicide is a homicide though, whether it is "mass" or not. Gun Control only stops mass shootings and results in homicides being done by other means and has a negligible impact on the homicide rate (which is the relevant crime rate when discussing gun control).

Homicides are much more frequent in us than the rest of the (western world) but that's not due to loose gun laws. Data and results from other countries show there is no correlation between homicides, violent crimes and gun control. Australia enacted major gun control, NZ did not, both countries had a lowering of the homicide rate the by the same rate.

Switzerland has loose gun control and a low homicide rate and very rare mass shooting. Again the issue is not to do with gun control.
Regarding Switzerland, they actually tightened up the rules on army issued rifles quite significantly as a result of a spike in the number of gun suicides (young isolated people doing military service with access to guns, what could go wrong?); the suicide rate dropped dramatically after they did that
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