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« Reply #375 on: May 22, 2019, 02:02:21 PM »

Would the newly appointed ministers gone on Monday if Kurz loses the Nationalrat vote?
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« Reply #376 on: May 22, 2019, 11:05:29 PM »

Would the newly appointed ministers be gone on Monday if Kurz loses the Nationalrat vote?

This depends on the exact wording of the no-confidence vote initiated by the party NOW on Monday:

If the text says no-confidence against Kurz only, or no-confidence against the whole government.

In the first case, only Kurz would step down as Chancellor and be replaced by President VdB with an interim Chancellor (even though it is possible that some other cabinet ministers also resign in such a case).

In the second case, the whole cabinet would resign and be replaced by a selection of people from VdB.
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« Reply #377 on: May 22, 2019, 11:26:30 PM »


It’s almost sure now that the 2 are responsible.

https://derstandard.at/2000103643828/Mutmasslicher-Drahtzieher-des-Ibiza-Videos-war-in-Muenchner-Anwaltskanzlei-Untermieter

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Anwalt-und-Detektiv-legten-die-Video-Falle/381262563

They apparently wanted to sell their material for 5 million €, but it’s unclear how much they got for it.

Now, both people have disappeared ...
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« Reply #378 on: May 23, 2019, 10:48:58 AM »

Some of what happened today:

* Kickl attacked President VdB as a "power enabler" for the ÖVP and told reporters that he will get back and take a seat in parliament to become FPÖ group speaker. Strache will not go back to parliament, he said. Gudenus has already resigned his seat in parliament. No word if Norbert Hofer or other former FPÖ cabinet members will take seats in the Nationalrat.

* The new cabinet members started their work today and the new Interior Minister Eckart Ratz will already have a prominent role on Sunday, when he will present the results of the EU elections at 11pm.

* The sign "Departure Center" was removed from the Traiskirchen refugee camp today. Kickl had previously ordered the biggest refugee acceptance center in Austria to be re-named to departure center. The last executive decree that Kickl presented before he was ousted was to lower the pay for asylum seekers doing vaoluntary community work to 1.5€ per hour (a key FPÖ-policy). Not sure if this will be suspended as well by the new Interior Minister.

* Chancellor Kurz met with key opposition people today (he actually invited all opposition leaders, but only the NEOS one attended his meeting).

* The ÖVP has a chance to delay the no-confidence vote on Monday by 2 days, but decided not to do so. SPÖ and FPÖ announced that they will only decide about their vote shortly before the no-confidence vote on Monday.
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« Reply #379 on: May 23, 2019, 05:44:34 PM »

Some of what happened today:

* Kickl attacked President VdB as a "power enabler" for the ÖVP and told reporters that he will get back and take a seat in parliament to become FPÖ group speaker. Strache will not go back to parliament, he said. Gudenus has already resigned his seat in parliament. No word if Norbert Hofer or other former FPÖ cabinet members will take seats in the Nationalrat.

* The new cabinet members started their work today and the new Interior Minister Eckart Ratz will already have a prominent role on Sunday, when he will present the results of the EU elections at 11pm.

* The sign "Departure Center" was removed from the Traiskirchen refugee camp today. Kickl had previously ordered the biggest refugee acceptance center in Austria to be re-named to departure center. The last executive decree that Kickl presented before he was ousted was to lower the pay for asylum seekers doing vaoluntary community work to 1.5€ per hour (a key FPÖ-policy). Not sure if this will be suspended as well by the new Interior Minister.

* Chancellor Kurz met with key opposition people today (he actually invited all opposition leaders, but only the NEOS one attended his meeting).

* The ÖVP has a chance to delay the no-confidence vote on Monday by 2 days, but decided not to do so. SPÖ and FPÖ announced that they will only decide about their vote shortly before the no-confidence vote on Monday.

Already suspended.

I also suggest redoing the Austrian flag and placing "Willkommen" in the middle.

Definitely a new great beginning!

The FPÖ still has some chance left to get 20%+ on Sunday if they push this message in the final days, drowning out the negative messages against them.

The reduction of voluntary pay for asylum seekers is fairly popular and taking it back fits the FPÖs „asylum chaos“ posters.

I really don’t know how they will do in the election: they could get 12% or 24% ...
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« Reply #380 on: May 23, 2019, 06:42:40 PM »

Some of what happened today:

* Kickl attacked President VdB as a "power enabler" for the ÖVP and told reporters that he will get back and take a seat in parliament to become FPÖ group speaker. Strache will not go back to parliament, he said. Gudenus has already resigned his seat in parliament. No word if Norbert Hofer or other former FPÖ cabinet members will take seats in the Nationalrat.

* The new cabinet members started their work today and the new Interior Minister Eckart Ratz will already have a prominent role on Sunday, when he will present the results of the EU elections at 11pm.

* The sign "Departure Center" was removed from the Traiskirchen refugee camp today. Kickl had previously ordered the biggest refugee acceptance center in Austria to be re-named to departure center. The last executive decree that Kickl presented before he was ousted was to lower the pay for asylum seekers doing vaoluntary community work to 1.5€ per hour (a key FPÖ-policy). Not sure if this will be suspended as well by the new Interior Minister.

* Chancellor Kurz met with key opposition people today (he actually invited all opposition leaders, but only the NEOS one attended his meeting).

* The ÖVP has a chance to delay the no-confidence vote on Monday by 2 days, but decided not to do so. SPÖ and FPÖ announced that they will only decide about their vote shortly before the no-confidence vote on Monday.

Already suspended.

I also suggest redoing the Austrian flag and placing "Willkommen" in the middle.

Definitely a new great beginning!

The FPÖ still has some chance left to get 20%+ on Sunday if they push this message in the final days, drowning out the negative messages against them.

The reduction of voluntary pay for asylum seekers is fairly popular and taking it back fits the FPÖs „asylum chaos“ posters.

I really don’t know how they will do in the election: they could get 12% or 24% ...

Online they are all-powerful, at the ballot box, I don't know...

Go look at Kurz's facebook posts and read the comments, you'll see what I mean
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« Reply #381 on: May 23, 2019, 11:10:29 PM »

Demox Research poll on Chancellor Kurz's no-confidence vote (n=1.250):

25% Kurz should be voted out of office
64% Kurz should remain in office

ÖVP-voters: 98% Kurz should remain
FPÖ-voters: 54-32 Kurz should remain
SPÖ-voters: 40-48 Kurz should be voted out of office
NEOS-voters: 82-11 Kurz should remain

https://kurier.at/politik/inland/liveticker-tag-fuenf-nach-ende-der-koalition/400502788
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« Reply #382 on: May 24, 2019, 11:23:58 PM »


The picture is getting clearer:

The lawyer from Vienna (in fact, the lawyer of the lawyer) said yesterday that it was "participation in a project in the interest of civil society", basically confirming that his client played a role in setting up the trap and the videos on Ibiza.

The suspected lawyer and the detective already tried to hand over material to the SPÖ about Strache ahead of the 2017 election, but the SPÖ guy refused the offer.

They probably also offered samples to various media in the German-speaking countries, so that's probably why Böhmermann already knew about the videos months ago ...

Here is the lawyer (on the right), Ramin Mirfakhrai (with Iranian migration background) + the Munich-based detective with Vienna roots Julian Hessenthaler (on the left):



Strache has filed a lawsuit against the 2 guys in the meantime.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Ibiza-Videos-Anwalt-gesteht-Mitwirkung/381610952
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« Reply #383 on: May 24, 2019, 11:30:49 PM »

Ramin Mirfakhrai (with Iranian migration background)

This is hilarious:

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The name Ramin is of Arabic origin and means "Rescuer From Hunger And Pain. Brings Joy."
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« Reply #384 on: May 24, 2019, 11:33:32 PM »


Meanwhile, Philippa Strache has denied rumours that she has moved out and said that she's "of course" still together with H.C.

https://www.heute.at/politik/news/story/Philippa-Strache---Ich-bin-nicht-ausgezogen---55789794
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« Reply #385 on: May 25, 2019, 01:18:40 PM »

SPÖ & FPÖ are more and more likely to get rid of Kurz (and even the whole cabinet) on Monday:

https://kurier.at/politik/inland/parlament-neben-kanzler-droht-auch-tuerkisen-ministern-die-abwahl/400505644

VdB should probably compile a list of interim Chancellor and expert ministers over the next 2 days ...
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« Reply #386 on: May 25, 2019, 04:17:10 PM »

If Kurz is no longer Chancellor after next week, I would think that would hurt the OVP's chances to hit the high 30's in support levels in the September election, without the prestige of a popular incumbent chancellor leading the party.
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« Reply #387 on: May 26, 2019, 12:12:28 AM »

If Kurz is no longer Chancellor after next week, I would think that would hurt the OVP's chances to hit the high 30's in support levels in the September election, without the prestige of a popular incumbent chancellor leading the party.

Obviously, a number of factors will come into play by September - but yeah, if Kurz gets removed by parliament tomorrow, it could hurt him because as Chancellor he has a unique position to present himself (international meetings with other leaders etc.)

On the other hand, it could not impact him all too much, because Kurz is still very popular with voters overall.
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« Reply #388 on: May 26, 2019, 03:19:01 AM »

Shocking new developments about the Ibiza scandal:

It is possible that the Austrian Intelligence Service BVT (then led by ÖVP Interior Minister Sobotka) itself has commissioned the video material against Strache and Gudenus.

There are interesting links between the detective Julian Hessenthaler and the BMI, who at the time referred to the Austrian BMI as one of his "most precious clients". The reference on his website was deleted after the scandal broke, but apparently the reference was re-established by experts.

Another clue would be that FPÖ-Interior Minister Kickl then raided the BVT after taking office and confiscated a lot of USB-sticks and other material. Maybe he was already aware of compromising material by the BVT against the FPÖ ?

Going further: Maybe it was the ÖVP's plan from the start to blow up the FPÖ at some point, after they passed the most important issues in parliament already and then to weaken the party for their own gain ? Or to get rid of them ? It would also explain why Kurz demanded Kickl to resign immediately, so that Kickl could not investigate further in the BMI/BVT what really happened.

https://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Steckt-Geheimdienst-BVT-hinter-Skandal-Video/381770100

So far, these are only rumours by the tabloid Ö24 and Kickl himself, but if true it would be a MEGA-scandal.
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« Reply #389 on: May 26, 2019, 06:48:37 AM »
« Edited: May 27, 2019, 06:52:07 AM by Blind Jaunting »

Kurz just said while voting in the EU election that he fully expects to be voted out of office tomorrow by SPÖ-FPÖ-NOW.
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« Reply #390 on: May 26, 2019, 07:24:39 AM »
« Edited: May 27, 2019, 06:52:28 AM by Blind Jaunting »

Kurz just said while voting in the EU election that he fully expects to be voted out of office tomorrow by SPÖ-FPÖ-NOW.

Who are the most likely candidates to become PM? Will they almost entirely come from the left or could VdB choose someone from the OVP?
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« Reply #391 on: May 26, 2019, 07:30:51 AM »
« Edited: May 27, 2019, 06:53:01 AM by Blind Jaunting »

Kurz just said while voting in the EU election that he fully expects to be voted out of office tomorrow by SPÖ-FPÖ-NOW.

Who are the most likely candidates to become PM? Will they almost entirely come from the left or could VdB choose someone from the OVP?

As there has been no such case before, he could choose anyone. But considering the ÖVP won the election last time, you could assume that VdB would first ask a ÖVP person if they want to become interim Chancellor ... former EU commissioner Franz Fischler has been mentioned for example. Or former SPÖ President Heinz Fischer.
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« Reply #392 on: May 26, 2019, 03:22:14 PM »

The party NOW wants to merge with the Greens again ahead of the Sept. federal election and after their disappointing 2% today.

https://orf.at/stories/3124481

The Greens seem to be open about it, but probably only if Peter Pilz is not part of it.
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« Reply #393 on: May 26, 2019, 04:32:08 PM »

The SPÖ party committee has just voted unanimously to impeach Kurz tomorrow in parliament.
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« Reply #394 on: May 27, 2019, 02:13:21 AM »

The impeachment process against Kurz + maybe the whole government will begin at 1pm and last the whole afternoon with debates about it.

The SPÖ will introduce a bill to remove Kurz and his cabinet, while NOW will only introduce a bill to remove Kurz.

The FPÖ will not introduce their own bill and will also not abstain, but will vote on the other motions instead.
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« Reply #395 on: May 27, 2019, 05:46:53 AM »

FPÖ will vote with the SPÖ to oust Kurz AND the whole cabinet.

Kurz impeachment vote set for ca. 4.30pm
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« Reply #396 on: May 27, 2019, 06:31:19 AM »

FPÖ will vote with the SPÖ to oust Kurz AND the whole cabinet.

Kurz impeachment vote set for ca. 4.30pm

what a mess. Kurz is popular but who knows in september ? the resign of strache was enough IMO
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« Reply #397 on: May 27, 2019, 06:59:40 AM »

Do you think the impachment is going t help or hurt Kurz in the end? On one hand, the opposition comes off as incredibly petty, voting out a caretaker government. On the other hand, Kurz is losing the podium of power.
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« Reply #398 on: May 27, 2019, 10:05:50 AM »

Do you think the impachment is going t help or hurt Kurz in the end? On one hand, the opposition comes off as incredibly petty, voting out a caretaker government. On the other hand, Kurz is losing the podium of power.

It will help him. Voters are opposed to his removal by a 70-30 (!) margin.

He can now play the victim card over the next months and form a ÖVP-Greens-NEOS government.
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« Reply #399 on: May 27, 2019, 10:47:46 AM »
« Edited: May 28, 2019, 03:30:36 AM by Blind Jaunting »

Kurz and his cabinet were just voted out of office by SPÖ+FPÖ+NOW.

ÖVP+NEOS voted against.



185 no-confidence votes were held in Austria since WW2, all of them failed.

The 186th today did not.

President VdB will meet with all party leaders tonight to discuss things.


Please, for the love of God, stop posting copyrighted images. If you're not sure about states of the image, just don't post it.
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