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« Reply #650 on: July 26, 2019, 11:38:29 PM »

There's a new IMAS poll for the 2021 Upper Austria state election and it shows the Greens overtaking the SPÖ in this industrial (= steel) state. The SPÖ drops to 4th (!) place there:



The last state election there was held in late 2015, at the height of the "refugee" stream into Europe, with 10.000s of people coming each day (many of them illegally).

No surprise that the FPÖ received 30%+ then and still has surprisingly good numbers there, considering the Ibiza-scandal.

After the election, ÖVP+FPÖ entered a coalition there and even after Ibiza decided to continue their work together (even though 1 controversial state government member from the FPÖ had to leave).

https://www.krone.at/1966020
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« Reply #651 on: July 27, 2019, 11:10:57 PM »

Looks like Austria now also has a member of "our squad":

"Why I hate Austria. I was born here, but nonetheless I will never consider it my homeland."

https://www.vice.com/de/article/mb8z7b/warum-ich-oesterreich-hasse



Source: http://de.wikimannia.org/Alexandra_Stanić

Alexandra Stanic, born in Austria to Bosnian immigrants (guest workers) and VICE-journalist, goes on a several page-long rant about how she hates the country.

It's quite astonishing how she says: "Since going to school, I only experienced hate. Now I hate back."

She also says that her guest working parents disagree and they value what Austria did for them. Why is she such a whiner ? She was born here, got a good and free university education without student loans and is now a major journalist at VICE ?

But unlike her radical, hate-driven Squad-comrades in the US (AOC, Omar etc.) - she's at least fully acknowledging her hate for the country and the native Austrians (which she deprecatingly calls the Johannes und Sabines of the country).
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« Reply #652 on: July 28, 2019, 01:27:22 AM »

  Intresting that such an attitude is coming from a child of Bosnians, i.e.  european immigrants, not someone from a culturally far more different place.  Didn't read in the article which party she prefers, though I'm going to take a lucky guess and say its not FPO or OVP.
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« Reply #653 on: July 28, 2019, 02:51:55 PM »

  Intresting that such an attitude is coming from a child of Bosnians, i.e.  european immigrants, not someone from a culturally far more different place.  Didn't read in the article which party she prefers, though I'm going to take a lucky guess and say its not FPO or OVP.

It is not so suprising that she as a European immigrant holds these opinions. She is out of step with most eastern European immigrants in the west, in this regard. If anything they are more right wing then the native population and unlike say Turks/Arabs assimilate far better into German/Austrian society. From personal experience Croat, Serb and Polish Germans resent multiculturalism (especially in regards to Islam) to a far greater degree than ethnic Germans and a ton of them vote AFD. Now she of course is a Bosnian muslim so that most likely is the reason for why she feels differently.

Yes, what makes this article even more curious is that while going on about the "racism" of the FPÖ/ÖVP Politicians, she completely overlooks that the Politicians in her beloved home, Bosnian ones, are some of the most race-baiting ones in the entire world. She would of course never go back there however, like many she is in the comfortable position of hating Austria and at the same time loving it's social system its civil rights and its opportunities. If this is "multiculturalism", then it's failing. There needs to be assimilation of those that want to become Austrian, and those that don't should be reminded that they are Guests and should behave themselves or leave.
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« Reply #654 on: July 28, 2019, 03:21:21 PM »

I dunno,
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Einer von ihnen heißt Wolfi. Ich bin ihm begegnet, als ich 12 Jahre alt war. Er erklärte mir, dass ich niemals richtige Österreicherin sein werde, egal wie gut ich Deutsch spreche

is a pretty powerful thing to say to a child; and it's absolutely the kind of thing that you would internalise when it happens to you.

I mean yes she's reacting the wrong way, but it does provide an insight into the way that secondos react based on the ways that they are made to feel growing up in the only home they've ever had - and Austria (and Germany) seem to be particularly bad at this.
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« Reply #655 on: July 28, 2019, 03:33:30 PM »

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Einer von ihnen heißt Wolfi. Ich bin ihm begegnet, als ich 12 Jahre alt war. Er erklärte mir, dass ich niemals richtige Österreicherin sein werde, egal wie gut ich Deutsch spreche

is a pretty powerful thing to say to a child; and it's absolutely the kind of thing that you would internalise when it happens to you.

I mean yes she's reacting the wrong way, but it does provide an insight into the way that secondos react based on the ways that they are made to feel growing up in the only home they've ever had - and Austria (and Germany) seem to be particularly bad at this.

Nobody knows if Wolfi even exists and if he really told her at age 12 that she will never be a real Austrian despite speaking German.

It could also come from her imagination only, considering her general anti-ÖVP/FPÖ positions and her disgust of native Austrians. Hyperbole is a pretty good instrument in her job of journalist after all. Not many adult people tell small children that they are „unworthy“ foreigners right into their faces.

If it happened, it’s obviously a bad thing.
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« Reply #656 on: July 28, 2019, 04:14:52 PM »
« Edited: July 28, 2019, 04:21:00 PM by urutzizu »

I dunno,
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Einer von ihnen heißt Wolfi. Ich bin ihm begegnet, als ich 12 Jahre alt war. Er erklärte mir, dass ich niemals richtige Österreicherin sein werde, egal wie gut ich Deutsch spreche

is a pretty powerful thing to say to a child; and it's absolutely the kind of thing that you would internalise when it happens to you.

I mean yes she's reacting the wrong way, but it does provide an insight into the way that secondos react based on the ways that they are made to feel growing up in the only home they've ever had - and Austria (and Germany) seem to be particularly bad at this.

What more are we supposed to do? We offer Asylum, Jobs, Family reunification, all sorts of freedoms, social security systems, hate speech laws- all things immigrants could never imagine in many other countries. And they know this. This is why they choose to come here, of course. And yet they hate Germany.
We are possibly the best country in the world to come to as a immigrant. Yet those societies that are the most multicultural, that have the lowest expectations towards immigrants, tend to be the ones where there are ghettos, race riots, and disloyality, even hatred towards the native population.

I am a second generation immigrant. So are millions of Germans of Polish, Russian, Czech, Croat, Serbian, Italian, Spanish, Greek, Vietnamese, Chinese, Sri Lankan and other countless origins. The wast majority of them agreed to adapt German society, and not ask that German society adapt to us. There has almost never has been problems with these communities. They faced just the same amount of racism, maybe even more (Hoyerswerda, Rostock-Lichterhagen). Yet certain other types of Immigrants seem to level expectations at their Hosts, they seem to have Loyalities that make them have a greater Affinity with a dictator thousands of Kilometers away then with Germany, some of them even show outright hatred for Germany. And if a multicultural society breeds such people, then Multiculturalism has failed.
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« Reply #657 on: July 28, 2019, 04:59:31 PM »

Because the Vietnamese are a much smaller community while the much larger community of Turkish Gastarbeiter (and that in itself is a pretty important term in thinking about the long term integration, or lack of it, among Turkish migrants) and their children became the "principal scapegoat" even before Erdogan came to power?

You misunderstand me if you think I am saying it is all the Austria and Germany are entirely at fault. There is the Erdogan factor; and the whole factor, of, well, neoliberalism and the way that it is a driver of communitarianism and social breakdown. But if you want people to integrate then you have to at least allow them to; and that quote is a pretty good example of the kind of thing that is going to put them off from feeling like they can, there is no real argument to be had there.

The key point being that with secondos, Germany (or Austria), is their only home - so telling them to be thankful for the welfare state, or asylum status or whatever isn't a winning argument, as that's their only frame of reference in the first place. Telling them they have a duty to be thankful to the country they were born in is obviously going to be infuriating for a substantial number of them, especially if they have to put up with racism and "you're not really Austrian" as part of day-to-day life growing up. There are easily enough anecdotal examples of this for it to be hard to deny that it is something that happens.

And Germany has its structural issues with regards to integration, enough to make claiming to be the best country in the world for immigrants pretty far fetched. Like the whole debate you have going on around dual-nationality and forcing people to give a part of their identity or else face exclusion. It's totally insane, and totally fails to understand how people relate to their homelands. And well, Germany so regularly seems to have these controversies about insufficiently integrated second-generation migrants, in a way that, say the UK (or even your famously racist southern neighbours, who eventually, begrudgingly figured out how to be an immigration destination) manages to avoid.
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« Reply #658 on: July 28, 2019, 05:17:02 PM »


I understand where you are coming from, even though i disagree completely.

I am however genuinely curious: Which country do you think we should model our integration policies on, when it comes to middle eastern immigrants?
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« Reply #659 on: July 28, 2019, 05:29:07 PM »


I understand where you are coming from, even though i disagree completely.

I am however genuinely curious: Which country do you think we should model our integration policies on, when it comes to middle eastern immigrants?

Going back 40 years? Lot's differently - not assumed it was temporary migration and they were all going to go home, more flexible naturalisation laws, better anti-discrimination laws and social housing policies...

Now, I don't know, I mean, you could still do all those things - but the rise of satellite TV; the decline of long-term secure work; the increasing tendency towards self-segregation (not just ethnic, but based on social class among other things) makes it much harder to be succesful. If it comes down to it, I would say that until you start to reverse the excesses of economic liberalism and globalisation then you are doomed to create the sort of social alienation that leads to failed integration (and also, you create the push factors that lead to mass migration to Europe). But maybe that is just my own ideological bias creating a neat solution to solve every social problem. who knows?
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« Reply #660 on: July 29, 2019, 02:29:47 PM »

Market poll:

70% of FPÖ-voters want H.C. Strache's return to politics, 18% are opposed.

https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000106784672/fpoe-waehler-wollen-strache-zurueck

100% of Green-voters are opposed to Strache's return, as are 87% of SPÖ and 80% of ÖVP voters.

In total, 73% of Austrians don't want Strache to return, while 17% want a comeback.
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« Reply #661 on: July 29, 2019, 02:48:39 PM »

Market poll:

70% of FPÖ-voters want H.C. Strache's return to politics, 18% are opposed.

https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000106784672/fpoe-waehler-wollen-strache-zurueck

100% of Green-voters are opposed to Strache's return, as are 87% of SPÖ and 80% of ÖVP voters.

In total, 73% of Austrians don't want Strache to return, while 17% want a comeback.

LOL, they're like Trump supporters. Rally behind the leader even if he committed treason.
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« Reply #662 on: July 30, 2019, 03:51:17 PM »

Kurz in an ORF TV interview today:

„Under my watch, Kickl will not become a government member again, no matter for which post. And the FPÖ will not get the Interior Ministry again.“

Kurz also said that he’s not opposed to another ÖVP-FPÖ government.

Clear words from Kurz, but his demands won’t go well with the FPÖ ...

The FPÖ has no other choice though other than to dump Kickl if they want to govern again, because President VdB also said no to another Kickl term.

https://orf.at/stories/3132098
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« Reply #663 on: July 31, 2019, 01:49:19 PM »

Kurz in an ORF TV interview today:

„Under my watch, Kickl will not become a government member again, no matter for which post. And the FPÖ will not get the Interior Ministry again.“

Kurz also said that he’s not opposed to another ÖVP-FPÖ government.

Clear words from Kurz, but his demands won’t go well with the FPÖ ...

The FPÖ has no other choice though other than to dump Kickl if they want to govern again, because President VdB also said no to another Kickl term.

https://orf.at/stories/3132098

He hasn't learned a thing. Hopefully he won't win this election.
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« Reply #664 on: July 31, 2019, 01:59:28 PM »

Kurz in an ORF TV interview today:

„Under my watch, Kickl will not become a government member again, no matter for which post. And the FPÖ will not get the Interior Ministry again.“

Kurz also said that he’s not opposed to another ÖVP-FPÖ government.

Clear words from Kurz, but his demands won’t go well with the FPÖ ...

The FPÖ has no other choice though other than to dump Kickl if they want to govern again, because President VdB also said no to another Kickl term.

https://orf.at/stories/3132098

He hasn't learned a thing. Hopefully he won't win this election.

He will, because neither SPÖ nor FPÖ are in any position to challenge the ÖVP for 1st place in September. Still, there could be a certain tightening of the race - and if it happens it will ironically help the FPÖ and not the SPÖ: the SPÖ is kept down by the rise of the Greens, who could rise to 11-15% in the election, which would be a major comeback for them.

The FPÖ (even political experts say so right now) could be underestimated. Norbert Hofer could play the moderate "statesman" card during the debates and Kickl could keep the hardline voters in the FPÖ camp.

So, if "Old Shredderhand" Kurz continues to defend his harddisk shredding debacle over the next weeks and continues to fight with the SPÖ, the FPÖ could also make a surprise comeback towards 25%.
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« Reply #665 on: July 31, 2019, 02:13:04 PM »

Austrians are marrying more and more, while divorcing less:

In 2018, some 46.500 marriages were registered (up from 35.200 in 2008).

There were 16.300 divorces, compared with 19.700 in 2008.



https://oesterreich.orf.at/stories/3006788

Fairly interesting and in the face of anti-gay people, who often say that with the legalisation of gay marriage hetero marriage rates will fall and divorces will be up ... total bullsh*t of course.
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« Reply #666 on: July 31, 2019, 04:01:32 PM »

The small, far-left party Wandel (= Change) has enough signatures to be on the ballot in the September elections.

Other small parties have not released numbers so far, but there’s still time left until next Friday. Collecting signatures on the street from voters is pretty hard this time (summer vacation and 35 degrees heat). You have to convince these people to go to their municipal office (during office hours) to stamp and sign the petition for such a small party and then mail it back.

If anyone's interested, here is their platform in English:

https://www.derwandel.at/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Manifesto_Wandel.pdf
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« Reply #667 on: July 31, 2019, 05:03:28 PM »

Wandel is one of the parties affiliated with Yanis Varoufakis's DiEM25.
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« Reply #668 on: August 01, 2019, 11:01:19 AM »

KPÖ+ is the 8th party that will be on the Sept. 29 ballot in all 9 states.

They join the 5 parliamentary parties (who needed no 2.600 signatures), the Greens and the party "Change".

At least 2 other small parties (GILT and the Socialist Left Party) will appear in some states only.

We'll know tomorrow after 5pm if other parties have qualified, such as ÖXIT or the Beer Party.
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« Reply #669 on: August 01, 2019, 02:20:19 PM »

The satire project "Austrian Beer Party" by hipster-punk-rocker Dr. Marco Pogo has made at least the Vienna ballot for the federal election.





Source: Beer Party Instagram page
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« Reply #670 on: August 01, 2019, 11:23:08 PM »

New Ö24 poll:

* ÖVP, FPÖ, SPÖ all stable
* ÖVP-FPÖ by far the most favoured coalition
* 8/10 Austrians do not want Kickl again, but 8/10 FPÖ-voters

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« Reply #671 on: August 02, 2019, 12:35:24 AM »

  Assuming the OVP would stick to its insistence on the interior ministry in a FPO OVP coalition, is there a member from the OVP that the FPO would support, someone fairly close to FPO desired policies?
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« Reply #672 on: August 02, 2019, 12:25:41 PM »

 Assuming the OVP would stick to its insistence on the interior ministry in a FPO OVP coalition, is there a member from the OVP that the FPO would support, someone fairly close to FPO desired policies?

I think the ÖVP will indeed stick to their insistence on the interior ministry, which could be a major road-block after the election.

Norbert Hofer tried to downplay the situation today by saying "now it's the election campaign, and after the election most things are going to be different."

But I guess they will not be different, because the ÖVP has seen their mistake in handing the Interior Ministry to the FPÖ, losing power and credibility abroad - while Kickl used the Ministry to profile himself.

I can't say if there is a certain person within the ÖVP that would be acceptable to the FPÖ as Interior Minister (there certainly are qualified people), but this is not the main point: after Ibiza, 2 people proposed as interim, technocratic Interior Ministers were opposed by the FPÖ and were taken out of consideration because the FPÖ thought they were not really independent technocrats, but close to the ÖVP (among them the police chief of Upper Austria).

So, the FPÖ will always insist that they should get the Interior Ministry and oppose any ÖVP-person. But if the FPÖ wants to govern again, they will ultimately have to back down because Kurz and President Van der Bellen are against the FPÖ here.
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« Reply #673 on: August 02, 2019, 12:33:37 PM »

5pm was the deadline for parties to submit enough signatures for the Sept. 29 election.

As per the Interior Ministry, the following parties have qualified for the ballot:

Austria-wide

• Liste Sebastian Kurz – die neue Volkspartei (ÖVP)
• Sozialdemokratische Partei Österreichs (SPÖ)
• Freiheitliche Partei Österreichs (FPÖ)
• NEOS – Das Neue Österreich (NEOS)
• JETZT – Liste Pilz (JETZT)
• Alternative Listen, KPÖ Plus, Linke und Unabhängige (KPÖ)
• Die Grünen – Die Grüne Alternative (GRÜNE)
• Wandel – Aufbruch in ein gemeinwohlorientiertes Morgen mit guter Arbeit, leistbarem Wohnen und radikaler Klimapolitik. Es gibt viel zu gewinnen. (WANDL)

In Burgenland only:

Christliche Partei Österreichs (CPÖ)

In Carinthia only:

Allianz der Patrioten (BZÖ)

In Upper Austria only:

Sozialistische LinksPartei (SLP)

In Tyrol & Vorarlberg:

Jede Stimme GILT: Bürgerparlamente & Expertenregierung (GILT)

In Vienna only:

BPÖ – Bierpartei Österreich (BIER)

https://www.bmi.gv.at/news.aspx?id=4A71546766513654314D733D

ÖXIT reported at noon to several media outlets that they have collected enough signatures for Vienna, Lower- and Upper Austria - but the Interior Ministry said that after a quick count of submitted signatures, they are not on the ballot anywhere. The signatures that were submitted by all parties will be verified in the next days and then a final list of qualified parties will be announced. It is possible that the quick count of ÖXIT's signatures will be overruled, but this is very unlikely.
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« Reply #674 on: August 02, 2019, 02:05:04 PM »

Austrian states ranked by unemployment rate in June (using the internationally comparable ILO/Eurostat method):

2.1% Tyrol
2.5% Salzburg (my home state)
3.0% Upper Austria
3.3% Vorarlberg
3.6% Styria
4.5% Burgenland
4.6% Lower Austria
4.7% Carinthia
7.6% Vienna

4.5% Austria (-0.4% compared with June 2018)

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Here are the June rates for the US states, ranging from 2.1% in VT to 6.4% in AK:

https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
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