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« on: January 02, 2019, 01:55:13 am »

When we talk about trump's huge working class army giving him the win, it is often in reference to the rust belt. I get that those states actually turned red, but AREAS in new england (not states) also had dramatic swings to trump as well. New Hampshire and Maine swung pretty hard to trump, and he won areas of CT and RI that were just as incredible as places he won in wisc and minn.

I feel like the New England results are an underappreciated/underdiscussed aspect of the 2016 map.
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2019, 02:42:29 am »

Other areas in the country with similar demographics also swung toward Trump. Examples include southern Colorado, western Washington/Oregon, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2019, 02:25:51 pm »

When we talk about trump's huge working class army giving him the win, it is often in reference to the rust belt. I get that those states actually turned red, but AREAS in new england (not states) also had dramatic swings to trump as well. New Hampshire and Maine swung pretty hard to trump, and he won areas of CT and RI that were just as incredible as places he won in wisc and minn.

I feel like the New England results are an underappreciated/underdiscussed aspect of the 2016 map.

Well to be fair it has been discussed on Atlas at least on some various subthread topics, albeit perhaps not on the same level as the Rust Belt States...

There's some good stuff there if you want to sift through.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=271994.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=271665.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=262955.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=267947.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=251823.0

I suspect part of the reason why much of the focus of the media, and to some extent Atlas, was on the rust belt was for the simple fact there is such a larger concentration of population and electoral votes there, and the swings were most evident.

TML's comments are also accurate regarding significant swings towards the Republicans between '12 and '16 among Pulp & Paper Mill downstate rural Oregon and Washington State, where both the Unions and Companies were squarely focused on unfair trade from Canada as Mills were getting shuttered, and little respite came from the Obama Administration.

Still, the interesting thing about many of these communities was the high amount of 3rd Party Votes for President in 2016 from Green, Libertarian, and Bernie Sanders write-ins, which suggests that long term Republican gains might be limited in the Mill Towns of New England and Coastal Oregon.
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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2019, 06:09:28 pm »

When we talk about trump's huge working class army giving him the win, it is often in reference to the rust belt. I get that those states actually turned red, but AREAS in new england (not states) also had dramatic swings to trump as well. New Hampshire and Maine swung pretty hard to trump, and he won areas of CT and RI that were just as incredible as places he won in wisc and minn.

I feel like the New England results are an underappreciated/underdiscussed aspect of the 2016 map.

You answered your own question. Nobody paid attention to the swings precisely b/c those states didn't actually turn red.
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