Brazil General Discussion 2019: It's Slammer Time!

[PSOL]

Secretary of Culture, announcing an art contest, reproduced a Goebbels's speech, using exactly the same words. Of course, the German Ambassy, the Jewish Association complained.
Not good for a president and for a minister of foreign affairs who told last year that national socialism was left-wing.

Right wing Jews who support far right parties and leaders will always be surprised when they discover that these people are anti-semitic, huh?

There are Haredi Jews that support Le Pen, so either they are very deaf to the dog whistles or just don’t care.

[buritobr]

Some jews support Bolsonaro because he is the most pro-Israel brazilian leader.

Yes, the far-right has a double view about the jews. The intelectual leader of the brazilian government, the former astrologist Olavo de Carvalho is very pro Israel but sometimes he has some dog whistles, like considering George Soros evil, considering the Frankfurt School evil.

[buritobr]

Brazilian picture "Democracy on the edge" is an Oscar nominee in the best documentary category.
It is a left-wing view of the political events in Brazil in the 2010s. The director was born in 1984, the year of the redemocratization in Brazil, and her main argument is that between 1984 and 2014, there was a hope that Brazil could become a full democracy like a developed country, but events that led to Dilma Rousseff's impeachment and Lula's prision made the Brazilian democracy rigged.

Of course, right-wing politicians and journalists disliked the movie. Bolsonaro used his official twitter to say that director Petra Costa is against Brazil.

[buritobr]

News from Brazil:

A police officer from Rio de Janeiro, who takes part in the militia (the mafia of policemen) and is a friend of the Bolsonaro family, was killed by the police in Bahia. Probably it was an execution, and not an attempt to resist to an arrest order. The left usually says that it was an operation in order to keep silence and avoid the policeman to speak about his ties with Bolsonaro family. Although the governor of Bahia belongs to PT, policemen usually support Bolsonaro, no matter the party of the governor of the state. Bolsonaro family usually says that the PT governor wanted to kill the policeman.

During the 2018 campaign, newspaper Folha de S. Paulo published news about businessmen who paid to ilegal campaign in Whatsapp. This ilegal campaign used many hoaxes. Last week, a former worker of the firm who put the ilegal advertising in Whatsapp accused Folha's journalist to offer sex in exchange for information. He didn't show any proof. This week, Bolsonaro repeated the accusation. So, we can see that he committed both false accusation and sexism.

There is a strike of military police in the state of Ceará. Former governor Cid Gomes, brother of the 2018 candidate Ciro Gomes, try to get closer to the demonstration of the policemen, driving a tractor, in order to negotiate. Cid Gomes was shot, but his life is not in danger.

[PSOL]

World's biggest meat company linked to 'brutal massacre' in Amazon

A new investigation has linked the world’s biggest meat company JBS, and its rival Marfrig, to a farm whose owner is implicated in one of the most brutal Amazonian massacres in recent memory.

The report by Repórter Brasil comes as JBS faces growing pressure over transparency failings in its Amazon cattle supply chain.

On 19 April 2017, nine men were brutally murdered in what became known as the “Colniza massacre”. The men had been squatting on remote forest land in the state of Mato Grosso when their bodies were found, according to court documents. Some showed signs of torture; some had been stabbed, others shot.

[buritobr]

Today, IBGE announced that the brazilian GDP grew 1.1% in 2019, after 1.3% growth in 2017 and 2018. Chicago economics, which started in the second (short) Dilma's term in 2015, was made more intense by Temer after May 2016 and became even stronger under Bolsonaro (and his minister Paulo Guedes), showed mediocre results.

When talking to this result to the media, Bolsonaro, instead of being serious, put a comedian imitating him to distribute bananas to the journalists.

[buritobr]

World's biggest meat company linked to 'brutal massacre' in Amazon

A new investigation has linked the world’s biggest meat company JBS, and its rival Marfrig, to a farm whose owner is implicated in one of the most brutal Amazonian massacres in recent memory.

The report by Repórter Brasil comes as JBS faces growing pressure over transparency failings in its Amazon cattle supply chain.

On 19 April 2017, nine men were brutally murdered in what became known as the “Colniza massacre”. The men had been squatting on remote forest land in the state of Mato Grosso when their bodies were found, according to court documents. Some showed signs of torture; some had been stabbed, others shot.

Interesting to know who are the firms behind crimes against Amazon and its peoples

I suggest also to read this article https://theintercept.com/2019/08/27/amazon-rainforest-fire-blackstone/

[buritobr]

One member of Jair Bolsonaro's staff has coronavirus. He was diagnosed after returning from Florida. The test showed positive result. Bolsonaro took the test today and the result will be released tomorrow. We will see if he is infected too.

[buritobr]

Hard week in Brazil:

Bolsonaro called protests against the Congress and the Supreme Court because he says that both are harming his job. It is democratic to show dissatisfaction against the branches of power. However, some far-right groups who support Bolsonaro call for shut the Congress and the Supreme Court, like a Fujimori style coup. According to the Article 85 of the Federal Constitution, threat to democratic institution is an offense which justifies impeachment.

There are lots of political and economic uncertainties: US$1=R$4.20 at the beggining of 2020. Today, the dollar reached R$5.

[buritobr]

Do you know what do "dumb people" mean? See this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBifclVeFh8

[buritobr]

Impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro is already discussed by some politicians. Threat to democratic institutions and mismanagement of the cov19 crisis are the motives.
On Monday, one representative of Rede (Marina Silva's party) sent an impeachment request to the House. Two days later, three representatives of PSOL sent another impeachment request. The president of PSOL told that these three representatives were acting by themselves and not in the name of the party. He told that the direction of the party considers that impeachment is not the priority now.

To be approved, the impeachment request should by accepted by the president of the House Rodrigo Maia. Than, it should be approved by a special comission in the House, and then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the whole House. Then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
Maia, although a conservative, is doing several criticism on Bolsonaro's administration. But he is not going to accept the request until he is sure that there will be more than 2/3 of the votes. If the impeachment goes to vote and fails to reach 2/3, Bolsonaro can get stronger.

[RodPresident]

Impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro is already discussed by some politicians. Threat to democratic institutions and mismanagement of the cov19 crisis are the motives.
On Monday, one representative of Rede (Marina Silva's party) sent an impeachment request to the House. Two days later, three representatives of PSOL sent another impeachment request. The president of PSOL told that these three representatives were acting by themselves and not in the name of the party. He told that the direction of the party considers that impeachment is not the priority now.

To be approved, the impeachment request should by accepted by the president of the House Rodrigo Maia. Than, it should be approved by a special comission in the House, and then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the whole House. Then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
Maia, although a conservative, is doing several criticism on Bolsonaro's administration. But he is not going to accept the request until he is sure that there will be more than 2/3 of the votes. If the impeachment goes to vote and fails to reach 2/3, Bolsonaro can get stronger.

Bolsonaro's inneptitude is shocking for all who didn't know him before. He's attacking governors for adopting mesures as shopping closures and road blocks (like Wilson Witzel and Joao Doria who became president's enemy). Cacerolazos are being made daily and today one is programmed as "birthday gift" to Bolsonaro.

[CumbrianLefty]

Impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro is already discussed by some politicians. Threat to democratic institutions and mismanagement of the cov19 crisis are the motives.
On Monday, one representative of Rede (Marina Silva's party) sent an impeachment request to the House. Two days later, three representatives of PSOL sent another impeachment request. The president of PSOL told that these three representatives were acting by themselves and not in the name of the party. He told that the direction of the party considers that impeachment is not the priority now.

To be approved, the impeachment request should by accepted by the president of the House Rodrigo Maia. Than, it should be approved by a special comission in the House, and then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the whole House. Then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
Maia, although a conservative, is doing several criticism on Bolsonaro's administration. But he is not going to accept the request until he is sure that there will be more than 2/3 of the votes. If the impeachment goes to vote and fails to reach 2/3, Bolsonaro can get stronger.

Bolsonaro's inneptitude is shocking for all who didn't know him before. He's attacking governors for adopting mesures as shopping closures and road blocks (like Wilson Witzel and Joao Doria who became president's enemy). Cacerolazos are being made daily and today one is programmed as "birthday gift" to Bolsonaro.

Right wing clown turns out to be a clown shocker.

[brucejoel99]

Impeachment of Jair Bolsonaro is already discussed by some politicians. Threat to democratic institutions and mismanagement of the cov19 crisis are the motives.
On Monday, one representative of Rede (Marina Silva's party) sent an impeachment request to the House. Two days later, three representatives of PSOL sent another impeachment request. The president of PSOL told that these three representatives were acting by themselves and not in the name of the party. He told that the direction of the party considers that impeachment is not the priority now.

To be approved, the impeachment request should by accepted by the president of the House Rodrigo Maia. Than, it should be approved by a special comission in the House, and then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the whole House. Then, it needs 2/3 of the votes of the Senate.
Maia, although a conservative, is doing several criticism on Bolsonaro's administration. But he is not going to accept the request until he is sure that there will be more than 2/3 of the votes. If the impeachment goes to vote and fails to reach 2/3, Bolsonaro can get stronger.

Well, after he managed to get himself expelled from his own party & literally antagonize everybody in both houses of Congress, this is certainly not unexpected.

[buritobr]

I think after this week, more than 2/3 of both houses would support impeachment, but it is not good a political crisis during a public health crisis. That's why even the mainstream PSOL thinks that it is not the time for impeachment (the far left wing of the party is campaigning for impeachment).

Bolsonaro is dealing very bad with Covid. He believes in far-right anti-scientific propaganda which says that shut-down is not necessary. His son believes in conspiracy theories about China. At least the governors, even the most conservative ones, are making a good job and making the shut-down by themselves. And bureacratic workers in public organizations, like the Ministry of Health, universities and research institutes have some autonomy against crazy elected politicians.

[brucejoel99]

I think after this week, more than 2/3 of both houses would support impeachment, but it is not good a political crisis during a public health crisis. That's why even the mainstream PSOL thinks that it is not the time for impeachment (the far left wing of the party is campaigning for impeachment).

Bolsonaro is dealing very bad with Covid. He believes in far-right anti-scientific propaganda which says that shut-down is not necessary. His son believes in conspiracy theories about China. At least the governors, even the most conservative ones, are making a good job and making the shut-down by themselves. And bureacratic workers in public organizations, like the Ministry of Health, universities and research institutes have some autonomy against crazy elected politicians.

Hearing Brazilians turn against Bolsonaro gives me hope; sounds like he's trying to really f**k things up down there, much like our President up here. Many Americans will evidently just believe Trump & blame China for the crisis, but I'd feared that other countries would as well. Glad to hear the delusion might just be limited to our borders.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Do we have any reason to believe Bolsonaro's veep would be better... I mean less s**ty than the man himself? I know the bar is very, very low, but I can't also think of a moment too soon to toss out the dangerous lunatic.

[buritobr]

Mourão is horrible, but he is not as bad as Bolsonaro

In the TV on Tuesday, Bolsonaro told that the shut down is destroying jobs, that for people who are not old the covid is "just a flu" (against all the scientists). He is putting the lives of many people in danger. In the following day, Mourão told that he supports the shut down.
The governors and mayors ignored Bolsonaro and kept the shut down.


Concerning the impeachment, the biggest problem is the time: it takes long time to the special commission of the House discuss the request, to the presentation of the accusation, to the presentation of the defense. The time between the president of the House accept the request and the final vote in the House takes at least 2 months. It is dangerous to do this now when the country (and the world) is facing a public health crisis.

[brucejoel99]

Mourão is horrible, but he is not as bad as Bolsonaro

In the TV on Tuesday, Bolsonaro told that the shut down is destroying jobs, that for people who are not old the covid is "just a flu" (against all the scientists). He is putting the lives of many people in danger. In the following day, Mourão told that he supports the shut down.
The governors and mayors ignored Bolsonaro and kept the shut down.


Concerning the impeachment, the biggest problem is the time: it takes long time to the special commission of the House discuss the request, to the presentation of the accusation, to the presentation of the defense. The time between the president of the House accept the request and the final vote in the House takes at least 2 months. It is dangerous to do this now when the country (and the world) is facing a public health crisis.

Is an expedited legislative procedure not possible?

[buritobr]

Very hard, the Congress should work on other issues too

[America Needs R'hllor]

Bolsonaro exempted churches from the stay at home order, saying that prayer is necessary. So clownish.

[brucejoel99]

Bolsonaro exempted churches from the stay at home order, saying that prayer is necessary. So clownish.

Mr. President, South Korea called. They said, "this is a really bad f**king idea!"

[walleye26]

I have a few questions about Brazil’s President-namely, how?? And why? Let me elaborate.
Number one, how exactly did he get elected? Was it a similar thing to Trump in that he ran so anti-establishment?
Two, is he popular? He seems to me to like a James Bond villain. He seems super racist towards the Amazon tribes, super arrogant, and shows a huge amount of apathy towards the environment or science. Other past Presidents have criticized him, notably Lulu de Silva.
Lastly, why does it seem he is getting away with everything? Is it corruption? He has repeatedly called COVID-19 a media hoax and has gutted the Amazon, and it doesn’t seem as though anybody can really stop him.

[buritobr]

I have a few questions about Brazil’s President-namely, how?? And why? Let me elaborate.
Number one, how exactly did he get elected? Was it a similar thing to Trump in that he ran so anti-establishment?
Not exactly. He had an speech against political establishment (although he was a congressman for 28 years) but unlike Trump, he had more free-market views and than he was strongly supported by the upper middle class. Bolsonaro was polling 20% until August. Many political scientists though that Alckmin (PSDB) would overtake him and represent the right in the runoff, since Alckmin had a strong party machine. But after the attack with knife, it became impossible to overtake him. In the runoff, the upper middle class who used to vote for PSDB voted for him because the opponent Haddad was a PT candidate and many people think "Bolsonaro is not good, but nothing is worse than PT" (a stupid way of thinking).

Two, is he popular? He seems to me to like a James Bond villain. He seems super racist towards the Amazon tribes, super arrogant, and shows a huge amount of apathy towards the environment or science. Other past Presidents have criticized him, notably Lulu de Silva.
In the polls conducted before covid crisis, 1/3 considered his administration good/very good, 1/3 considered regular, and 1/3 considered bad/very bad. The three groups who most support him are the landowner (before of the more "flexible" rules concerning environment), the business sector (because of the free market reforms) and the evangelicals

Lastly, why does it seem he is getting away with everything? Is it corruption? He has repeatedly called COVID-19 a media hoax and has gutted the Amazon, and it doesn’t seem as though anybody can really stop him.
Even conservative governors of São Paulo (João Doria) and Rio de Janeiro (Wilson Witzel) turned against him, the president of the House Rodrigo Maia too, but as I told in the Brazil thread, it is very hard to conduct a impeachment process during a public health crisis, since it takes at least 2 months in the House and 2 months in the Senate

[Former President tack50]

I realize it is still quite a ways off, but how do Bolsonaro's reelection prospects look? Is he favoured or an underdog?

Also, considering how fractured Brazil's Congress is, does he have support there to impose his policies?