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« Reply #575 on: May 23, 2019, 01:30:17 am »

Kerala not going well at all for Left Front but also surprising also not well for BJP.  Rahul Gandhi is making an impact here

INC-IMUL-KEC(M)-RSP   47.4%
Left Front                      31.2% (does not count a couple of pro-Left independents so the real vote share is around 33%-34%)
BJP                               12.5%
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« Reply #576 on: May 23, 2019, 01:31:30 am »

After this landslide I wonder if the BJP will get going on building that Ram temple in Ayodhya

Ayodhya is the home of Ram, so it makes sense for a temple of Ram to be there. Im surprised there isnt one already there


Fun Fact: Ram is my favorite avatar of Vishnu  not Krishna like most people



Enough blood has already been spilt there, people just need to leave that site alone.

Sure, I agree what took place in 1992 cannot be justified.  Still I think the Muslim community is not being reasonable here.  Islam does not really have any rules on where a masque is located while Hinduism care a lot about where a temple is located.  Not sure why the Muslims just do not make a deal to give up that space in return for BJP/RSS helping build several masques in other locations all over UP.

It doesn’t even matter at this point in that sense, muslims have like no power or say so in what happens next, they are at the mercy of Modi, who will obviously continue f#cking them over. They already have it, and I guess some people just feel like rubbing salt in wounds, whatever, nothing can be done about it, guess they will pay on judgment day.

Ayodhya is the home of Ram though, so there should be a Ram Temple there. Like Jaichind said you can build a mosque right next to the new temple as well and everything will be fine.

Its not nationalist or religious fundamentalism to want that that to happen, its actually the opposite: its respecting both Hindus and Muslims and I am sure if the above happened the vast majority of people would be happy.



Yeah, but I’d be willing to bet a penny or two on said mosque being torched by some hindutva element relatively quickly, there’s no point. Besides why is there even any talk of compromise? Muslims don’t hold any power or leverage to make any of that happened, they are powerless.

The people who do that should be jailed for quite some time for that then and I would support increasing current sentences for those types of crimes.


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« Reply #577 on: May 23, 2019, 01:31:51 am »

Further shift toward NDA

NDA    331(-21)
UPA      94(+29)
OTH    117(-8)

This is that shift I was talking about that the winning side gains as time continues.
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« Reply #578 on: May 23, 2019, 01:32:23 am »
« Edited: May 23, 2019, 01:38:09 am by urutzizu »

After this landslide I wonder if the BJP will get going on building that Ram temple in Ayodhya

Ayodhya is the home of Ram, so it makes sense for a temple of Ram to be there. Im surprised there isnt one already there


Fun Fact: Ram is my favorite avatar of Vishnu  not Krishna like most people



Enough blood has already been spilt there, people just need to leave that site alone.

Sure, I agree what took place in 1992 cannot be justified.  Still I think the Muslim community is not being reasonable here.  Islam does not really have any rules on where a masque is located while Hinduism care a lot about where a temple is located.  Not sure why the Muslims just do not make a deal to give up that space in return for BJP/RSS helping build several masques in other locations all over UP.

It doesn’t even matter at this point in that sense, muslims have like no power or say so in what happens next, they are at the mercy of Modi, who will obviously continue f#cking them over. They already have it, and I guess some people just feel like rubbing salt in wounds, whatever, nothing can be done about it, guess they will pay on judgment day.

Ayodhya is the home of Ram though

This Argument always works wonderfully with Muslims, just ask the Israelis.
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« Reply #579 on: May 23, 2019, 01:33:54 am »

After this landslide I wonder if the BJP will get going on building that Ram temple in Ayodhya

Ayodhya is the home of Ram, so it makes sense for a temple of Ram to be there. Im surprised there isnt one already there


Fun Fact: Ram is my favorite avatar of Vishnu  not Krishna like most people



Enough blood has already been spilt there, people just need to leave that site alone.

Sure, I agree what took place in 1992 cannot be justified.  Still I think the Muslim community is not being reasonable here.  Islam does not really have any rules on where a masque is located while Hinduism care a lot about where a temple is located.  Not sure why the Muslims just do not make a deal to give up that space in return for BJP/RSS helping build several masques in other locations all over UP.

It doesn’t even matter at this point in that sense, muslims have like no power or say so in what happens next, they are at the mercy of Modi, who will obviously continue f#cking them over. They already have it, and I guess some people just feel like rubbing salt in wounds, whatever, nothing can be done about it, guess they will pay on judgment day.

Ayodhya is the home of Ram though, so there should be a Ram Temple there. Like Jaichind said you can build a mosque right next to the new temple as well and everything will be fine.

Its not nationalist or religious fundamentalism to want that that to happen, its actually the opposite: its respecting both Hindus and Muslims and I am sure if the above happened the vast majority of people would be happy.



Yeah, but I’d be willing to bet a penny or two on said mosque being torched by some hindutva element relatively quickly, there’s no point. Besides why is there even any talk of compromise? Muslims don’t hold any power or leverage to make any of that happened, they are powerless.

The people who do that should be jailed for quite some time for that then and I would support increasing current sentences for those types of crimes.




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« Reply #580 on: May 23, 2019, 01:33:57 am »

NDTV expresses "shock" that MP is now BJP 28 INC 1.  Of course I been saying for a while now that this will be the case.  Just look at the ECI vote shares will tell you the seat share result.
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« Reply #581 on: May 23, 2019, 01:38:24 am »

Maharashtra is now at BJP-SHS 43 NCP 4 AIMIM 1.  INC completely shut out with zero.  AIMIM ahead in Aurangabad because the Hindu vote there split between SHS INC and a SHS rebel.
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« Reply #582 on: May 23, 2019, 01:39:49 am »

Odisha assembly so far it is BJD 101 BJP 26 INC+ 13.   AP assembly so far is YSRCP 145 TDP 25
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« Reply #583 on: May 23, 2019, 01:41:26 am »

NDTV now has Rahul Gandhi behind in Amethi
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« Reply #584 on: May 23, 2019, 01:45:24 am »

After this landslide I wonder if the BJP will get going on building that Ram temple in Ayodhya

Ayodhya is the home of Ram, so it makes sense for a temple of Ram to be there. Im surprised there isnt one already there


Fun Fact: Ram is my favorite avatar of Vishnu  not Krishna like most people



Enough blood has already been spilt there, people just need to leave that site alone.

Sure, I agree what took place in 1992 cannot be justified.  Still I think the Muslim community is not being reasonable here.  Islam does not really have any rules on where a masque is located while Hinduism care a lot about where a temple is located.  Not sure why the Muslims just do not make a deal to give up that space in return for BJP/RSS helping build several masques in other locations all over UP.

It doesn’t even matter at this point in that sense, muslims have like no power or say so in what happens next, they are at the mercy of Modi, who will obviously continue f#cking them over. They already have it, and I guess some people just feel like rubbing salt in wounds, whatever, nothing can be done about it, guess they will pay on judgment day.

Ayodhya is the home of Ram though, so there should be a Ram Temple there. Like Jaichind said you can build a mosque right next to the new temple as well and everything will be fine.

Its not nationalist or religious fundamentalism to want that that to happen, its actually the opposite: its respecting both Hindus and Muslims and I am sure if the above happened the vast majority of people would be happy.



Yeah, but I’d be willing to bet a penny or two on said mosque being torched by some hindutva element relatively quickly, there’s no point. Besides why is there even any talk of compromise? Muslims don’t hold any power or leverage to make any of that happened, they are powerless.

The people who do that should be jailed for quite some time for that then and I would support increasing current sentences for those types of crimes.




Then I wish you were pm of India over Modi Tongue

Im pretty much a law and order conservative by world standards, its just here in the US im liberal cause of how right wing the US is on that issue.

On Modi I have said multiple times blaming him for the 2002 riots is totally unfair as every court has cleared him on that . The reason those riots got out of hand is Law and Order problems not Modi. Think about how much the 1992 LA riots got of hand here in a nation as advanced as ours then think how much worse it would be in a nation plagued with law and order problems like India
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« Reply #585 on: May 23, 2019, 01:49:30 am »

INC now down to 54 seats.  If that does not go up then just like 2014 INC might not even get the position of Leader of Opposition.
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« Reply #586 on: May 23, 2019, 01:53:29 am »

After this landslide I wonder if the BJP will get going on building that Ram temple in Ayodhya

Ayodhya is the home of Ram, so it makes sense for a temple of Ram to be there. Im surprised there isnt one already there


Fun Fact: Ram is my favorite avatar of Vishnu  not Krishna like most people



Enough blood has already been spilt there, people just need to leave that site alone.

Sure, I agree what took place in 1992 cannot be justified.  Still I think the Muslim community is not being reasonable here.  Islam does not really have any rules on where a masque is located while Hinduism care a lot about where a temple is located.  Not sure why the Muslims just do not make a deal to give up that space in return for BJP/RSS helping build several masques in other locations all over UP.

It doesn’t even matter at this point in that sense, muslims have like no power or say so in what happens next, they are at the mercy of Modi, who will obviously continue f#cking them over. They already have it, and I guess some people just feel like rubbing salt in wounds, whatever, nothing can be done about it, guess they will pay on judgment day.

Ayodhya is the home of Ram though, so there should be a Ram Temple there. Like Jaichind said you can build a mosque right next to the new temple as well and everything will be fine.

Its not nationalist or religious fundamentalism to want that that to happen, its actually the opposite: its respecting both Hindus and Muslims and I am sure if the above happened the vast majority of people would be happy.



Yeah, but I’d be willing to bet a penny or two on said mosque being torched by some hindutva element relatively quickly, there’s no point. Besides why is there even any talk of compromise? Muslims don’t hold any power or leverage to make any of that happened, they are powerless.

The people who do that should be jailed for quite some time for that then and I would support increasing current sentences for those types of crimes.




Then I wish you were pm of India over Modi Tongue

Im pretty much a law and order conservative by world standards, its just here in the US im liberal cause of how right wing the US is on that issue.

On Modi I have said multiple times blaming him for the 2002 riots is totally unfair as every court has cleared him on that . The reason those riots got out of hand is Law and Order problems not Modi. Think about how much the 1992 LA riots got of hand here in a nation as advanced as ours then think how much worse it would be in a nation plagued with law and order problems like India

The party he oversees and the people he affiliates with and the dogwhistles and Trump like behavior and such little support and membership from muslims and the ultra hindu nationalism lead me to hold him in the position of the Trump of India. He’s not a friend of Islam or muslims, nor does he want to be. Is he a direct murderer or the worst among them? Nah, but he is bad news.
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« Reply #587 on: May 23, 2019, 01:53:48 am »

Back to my theme of BJP vs INC vision of nation building. I think another angle of the Ayodhya conflict is is about the fact that the masque there was build by Babur on top of an allegedly Ram Hindu temple.  The BJP/RSS narrative of Indian history does not consider the Moghul empire as a part of true Indian history.  They are seen as invaders just like the British.  Removing any symbols of this occupation is part of this national building narrative above and beyond the religious sentiments of Hindus toward the Ram temple that was supposedly there for centuries ago.
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« Reply #588 on: May 23, 2019, 01:54:46 am »

The ECI result site crashed ... sigh..
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« Reply #589 on: May 23, 2019, 01:59:34 am »

Further shift toward NDA

NDA    340(-12)
UPA      90(+25)
OTH    112(-13)
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« Reply #590 on: May 23, 2019, 02:03:56 am »

Telangana now at TRS 9 BJP 4 INC 3 AIMIM 1.  I think TRS will gain a couple of more seats but it seems overall TRS under-performed.  It seems KCR's move to call assembly elections early in 2018 was very wise.  INC also learned the right less from the 2018 assembly election to drop TDP as its ally.  That mostly got some of the anti-TDP vote to come back and that hurt TRS enough to also get BJP ahead in some seats.
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« Reply #591 on: May 23, 2019, 02:07:50 am »

Back to my theme of BJP vs INC vision of nation building. I think another angle of the Ayodhya conflict is is about the fact that the masque there was build by Babur on top of an allegedly Ram Hindu temple.  The BJP/RSS narrative of Indian history does not consider the Moghul empire as a part of true Indian history.  They are seen as invaders just like the British.  Removing any symbols of this occupation is part of this national building narrative above and beyond the religious sentiments of Hindus toward the Ram temple that was supposedly there for centuries ago.

Most people I know believe this as well, and many tell me they were worse than the British as well.
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« Reply #592 on: May 23, 2019, 02:20:58 am »

Assam vote share (massive BJP surge in a state where the Muslim population is above 30%)

BJP-AGP-BPF  47.7%
INC               32.6%
AIUDF             8.6%
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« Reply #593 on: May 23, 2019, 02:26:06 am »

It seems that although AIADMK was smashed in LS elections it did fairly well in the assembly by-elections.  Most likely for now the AIADMK government will survive.  If so then it is clear that AIADMK should not have allied with BJP in the LS elections as it drove the anti-BJP vote to DMK-INC.  Of course since the BJP was coming back to power at the center AIADMK most likely formed such an alliance knowing that it will be beaten in the LS elections but gains an ally at the federal level and instead invest all their resources toward winning the assembly by-elections
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« Reply #594 on: May 23, 2019, 02:28:15 am »

In AP it is now YSRCP 25 TDP 0.  Another enemy of Modi, TDP's Naidu, bites the dust.
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« Reply #595 on: May 23, 2019, 02:45:04 am »

UP vote share (fairly stable now)

BJP                  49.2%
SP-BSP-RLD     39.2%
INC                   6.1%
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« Reply #596 on: May 23, 2019, 02:45:56 am »

India Today-Axis My India exit poll ended up being spot on.  What a good call they made.
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« Reply #597 on: May 23, 2019, 02:51:20 am »

NDA    337(-15)
UPA      93(+28)
OTH    112(-13)
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« Reply #598 on: May 23, 2019, 05:14:56 am »

Shows you what divided opposition will do.  Got that, progressives and socialists here in the United States?
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« Reply #599 on: May 23, 2019, 05:50:51 am »

Just woke up. Guess Modi's popularity stood strong huh.
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