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« on: January 12, 2019, 05:26:48 pm »

Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches?

The Bible teaches one to start a spiritual journey from the
bottom, i.e. from a stage where he must consider himself as a born sinner and starts his journey upwards from there. One reaches the second stage when he realises that he is the son and God is his father. The final realisation is when he realises that he and the Father are one. 

This is similar to the spiritual journey of a Hindu who starts his journey from the Dwait stage, where he thinks himself and God to be two distinct entities, graduates to Vishishta Adwait, a stage where he thinks himself a fragment/fraction of Him and finally reached to the Adwait stage where he merges himself with that infinite consciousness.

Stevan Davies. The savior is not a celestial being brought to earth; the savior is a capacity of the mind, and the savior’s journey from above is actually one’s own journey from within.

John Lennon. It seems to me that the only true Christians were the Gnostics, who believed in self-knowledge, I.E. becoming Gods
themselves, reaching the Christ within, the light is the truth. Turn on the light. All the better to see you my dear.

John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they
are life.

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the
key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your
tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

I think Jesus hated the idol worshipers of the traditional supernatural based religions and wanted to put us on a better and more naturalistic Gnostic Christian path of seeking knowledge and wisdom through Gnosis; that being a deeper knowledge of the self and others.

Do you agree?

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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 11:06:12 pm »

Proposal: Let's just create a quarantine zone: a thread entitled "Greatest I Am's tedious bulls**t." Pin it at the top of this board and prohibit him from starting any new threads. He can post in it as much as he wants to and whatever masochists want to read this stuff can.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 11:53:57 pm »

This board has basically no moderation. Gustaf should just resign and leave it to someone who's actually willing to do the job.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2019, 12:52:27 am »

Do you agree?

No.
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2019, 11:05:02 am »

Proposal: Let's just create a quarantine zone: a thread entitled "Greatest I Am's tedious bulls**t." Pin it at the top of this board and prohibit him from starting any new threads. He can post in it as much as he wants to and whatever masochists want to read this stuff can.
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 12:07:40 pm »

Awareness of the supernatural is the higher stage of consciousness. It’s called supernatural because its existence isn’t obvious to the senses.
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 12:33:12 pm »

Proposal: Let's just create a quarantine zone: a thread entitled "Greatest I Am's tedious bulls**t." Pin it at the top of this board and prohibit him from starting any new threads. He can post in it as much as he wants to and whatever masochists want to read this stuff can.

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 12:42:23 pm »



Bite me.

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 12:47:53 pm »


I second that emotion. These people who criticize you are Bullies and snowflakes, as far as I'm concerned. They're also part of the very ugly vicious Borg collective. Resistance may be futile (or maybe not).
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 12:51:56 pm »


I second that emotion. These people who criticize you are Bullies and snowflakes, as far as I'm concerned. They're also part of the very ugly vicious Borg collective. Resistance may be futile (or maybe not).

Thank you.

The brain dead theists bring this poem to mind.

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2019, 12:56:06 pm »


I second that emotion. These people who criticize you are Bullies and snowflakes, as far as I'm concerned. They're also part of the very ugly vicious Borg collective. Resistance may be futile (or maybe not).

Criticism, to me, that does not have a decent argument or apologetic attached to it is like water off a ducks back.

I know that when there is no decent rebuttal that I have done well.

Lurkers will see how Christians react to intelligent thought and will know what side they want to be on.

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2019, 12:58:03 pm »

"Can absurdities go farther than this?"
Robert Ingersol
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2019, 01:03:56 pm »


I second that emotion. These people who criticize you are Bullies and snowflakes, as far as I'm concerned. They're also part of the very ugly vicious Borg collective. Resistance may be futile (or maybe not).

Criticism, to me, that does not have a decent argument or apologetic attached to it is like water off a ducks back.

I know that when there is no decent rebuttal that I have done well.

Lurkers will see how Christians react to intelligent thought and will know what side they want to be on.

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I have said it before and I'll say it again the R&P has basically become a "Christians only" board. It has not always been so, there were some great discussions on this board before the Borg took it over. The stench of hatred here is intolerable, so it's best not to spend too much time here. Unfortunately this has always been the culture, and on perhaps 98.6% of the discussions on the internet as whole.
The best antidote for this is, for me, is meditation...

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2019, 01:05:44 pm »

"Can absurdities go farther than this?"
Robert Ingersol

“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.”
Jonathan Swift

Martin Luther.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2019, 01:09:58 pm »

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

Albert Einstein
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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2019, 01:26:02 pm »

Keep in mind if someone is offended by the truth, that's on them. A wise man once said nothing.
Once you open your month and state your opinions, you're likely to offend someone, because it challenges the fantasyworld in which they live.
Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go hell so that they'll actually enjoy the trip.

Consider this:

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2019, 01:42:50 pm »

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

Albert Einstein

Childish, yes, but look at the damage to society that the adult children who believe these adult fairy tales have done to us.

That is why I post.

I think there may be just the one way to change their harmful thinking and unfortunately, I am not good at it.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

Let me add to your Ingersoll quote.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2019, 01:52:19 pm »

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

Albert Einstein

Childish, yes, but look at the damage to society that the adult children who believe these adult fairy tales have done to us.

That is why I post.

I think there may be just the one way to change their harmful thinking and unfortunately, I am not good at it.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

Let me add to your Ingersoll quote.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

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I don't want to put myself in the position of defending the moral character of Thomas Jefferson who like William Penn was a slave owner, but he did say some interesting things such as:

"If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2019, 01:57:16 pm »

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

Albert Einstein

Childish, yes, but look at the damage to society that the adult children who believe these adult fairy tales have done to us.

That is why I post.

I think there may be just the one way to change their harmful thinking and unfortunately, I am not good at it.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

Let me add to your Ingersoll quote.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

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I don't want to put myself in the position of defending the moral character of Thomas Jefferson who like William Penn was a slave owner, but he did say some interesting things such as:

"If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."

I like it.

It goes with this.

 
"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime." - Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2019, 02:43:01 pm »

tmc, what offends me about GIA is his uniform smugness and combativeness. He's demonstrated time and again that he is uninterested in dialogue or debate. The only thing he shows interest in is in provoking others to respond to him. He is predictable in his opinions and demonstrates no interest in the opinions of others. That's why I have that troll on ignore and suggest others do the same. What I don't get is why you think the bully is being bullied because people want the bully to go elsewhere.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2019, 03:01:40 pm »

tmc, what offends me about GIA is his uniform smugness and combativeness. He's demonstrated time and again that he is uninterested in dialogue or debate. The only thing he shows interest in is in provoking others to respond to him. He is predictable in his opinions and demonstrates no interest in the opinions of others. That's why I have that troll on ignore and suggest others do the same. What I don't get is why you think the bully is being bullied because people want the bully to go elsewhere.

Correct that I care little for opinions and want to get apologetics and debates based on facts and not the garbage preaching based on the faith that fools/theist hade behind.

I get fed up with that garbage and let people know it.

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I sometimes wish I had my bully side under better control, but in order to be able to try to get non-thinkers to think, you have to risk being offensive and I do not mind taking the heat for being in a religionist's face, especially given the damage religions do with their homophobia and misogyny.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2019, 04:33:48 pm »

tmc, what offends me about GIA is his uniform smugness and combativeness. He's demonstrated time and again that he is uninterested in dialogue or debate. The only thing he shows interest in is in provoking others to respond to him. He is predictable in his opinions and demonstrates no interest in the opinions of others. That's why I have that troll on ignore and suggest others do the same. What I don't get is why you think the bully is being bullied because people want the bully to go elsewhere.
Well, I could answer you in detail, but I don't think that he is a bully, as I never had a problem with how he responds to me, if I did I would ignore him, and that is the issue, if others like yourself chose to ignore him, I have no problem with that, but I enjoy interacting with him.
He does challenge the conventional wisdom here and I don't think anyone can convince me otherwise.
It is important to challenge group think.

edit: also there are quite a few of us who think he enriches the dialogue here, not just me
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2019, 04:44:02 pm »

tmc, what offends me about GIA is his uniform smugness and combativeness. He's demonstrated time and again that he is uninterested in dialogue or debate. The only thing he shows interest in is in provoking others to respond to him. He is predictable in his opinions and demonstrates no interest in the opinions of others. That's why I have that troll on ignore and suggest others do the same. What I don't get is why you think the bully is being bullied because people want the bully to go elsewhere.

Correct that I care little for opinions and want to get apologetics and debates based on facts and not the garbage preaching based on the faith that fools/theist hade behind.

I get fed up with that garbage and let people know it.

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I sometimes wish I had my bully side under better control, but in order to be able to try to get non-thinkers to think, you have to risk being offensive and I do not mind taking the heat for being in a religionist's face, especially given the damage religions do with their homophobia and misogyny.

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Well, for those who have already made up their minds, for whatever reason, your not going  to be able to get them to change their minds. For those who haven't you may have a chance to get them to consider the pros and cons of what you believe. You may not be successful in convincing them, but at least, you will have given them new ideas to ponder.
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2019, 06:26:28 pm »

He does challenge the conventional wisdom here and I don't think anyone can convince me otherwise.
It is important to challenge group think.

There is no conventional wisdom here to be challenged. You think the fact that most posters on this board are Christians is a product of “group think”, but no one comes here to be converted, they come here to share their perspectives, and most posters happen to come from a Christian background. You and Greatest I Am could also come here to share your perspectives, but you don’t. Greatest I Am claims to be a gnostic who’s achieved gnosis, but he’s never made a single thread about historically-existing Gnosticism or his personal experience of enlightenment; you posted earlier in this thread that you have to meditate to cope with this board, but you’ve never made a detailed post about meditation. Instead you both just post the same inanities over and over again - “Exoteric religion bad, esoteric religion good, here’s a YouTube video or a quote from some famous person supporting my position”. We’ve all heard it way too many times to care.
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2019, 06:57:10 pm »

You may not be successful in convincing them, but at least, you will have given them new ideas to ponder.
Actually, he doesn't.  His presentation is such that I can't possibly take him or his ideas seriously.  It certainly isn't at all like that Paul made while in Athens. (Acts 17:16-34)
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