Northern Ireland/Ulster

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Debate started:http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=15;action=display;threadid=3133;start=30

[Gustaf]

Expect Opebo to vote for bloodbath.

[© tweed]

Northern Ireland should remain part of the UK.

[Michael Z]

Catholics to receive an Irish passport, protestants to keep their British passports. Northern Ireland to become a neutral territory, Irish and British at the same time.

Heck, I know it's far-fetched, but the world lives through compromises.

[KEmperor]

Catholics to receive an Irish passport, protestants to keep their British passports. Northern Ireland to become a neutral territory, Irish and British at the same time.

Heck, I know it's far-fetched, but the world lives through compromises.

Thats unworkable.

[Michael Z]

Catholics to receive an Irish passport, protestants to keep their British passports. Northern Ireland to become a neutral territory, Irish and British at the same time.

Heck, I know it's far-fetched, but the world lives through compromises.

Thats unworkable.

I know it is, hence the term 'far-fetched'. I'm a bit of a dreamer I guess.

[minionofmidas]

Flood it.

[Middle-aged Europe]

I can give a complete ranking again.

1) Dual Sovereignty
2) International Territory
3) Status Quo
4) Independence
5) Another partition
6) Eire annexs NI
7) Other
Bloodbath


Also check out the "Northern Ireland Politics Selector": http://www.selectsmart.com/FREE/select.php?client=northernireland

It says I´m a "liberal Unionist" (followed by "moderate nationalist" and "politically neutral").

[minionofmidas]

Me too.
1 Liberal Unionist
2 neutral
3 for an Independent NI
4 Moderate Nationalist
5 Nationalist
6 Republican
7 Unionist
8 Hardcore Unionist

I figure Liberal Unionist is like the Alliance Party? Which would be more like non-Unionist Protestant? Because otherwise I think the test result is wrong.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Flood it.

One problem: Most of NI is hilly and/or mountainous...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Me too.
1 Liberal Unionist
2 neutral
3 for an Independent NI
4 Moderate Nationalist
5 Nationalist
6 Republican
7 Unionist
8 Hardcore Unionist

That's what I got...

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Newton Emerson (www.portadownnews.com) Is a liberal Unionist.

[minionofmidas]

Looks more like a satirist to me.
And hilliness is not a problem for a good engineering team with a monstrous budget.

Down with the Alps! For a free view of the Meditteranean!
(Old Swiss and South German joke that gave me the idea)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Looks more like a satirist to me.

He's a satirist (and a funny one as well. The headline after the Assembly elections was: "Voters choose Evil")... but he's a self described Liberal Unionist.

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True... although most of County Antrim is volcanic rock...

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[Gustaf]

Me too.
1 Liberal Unionist
2 neutral
3 for an Independent NI
4 Moderate Nationalist
5 Nationalist
6 Republican
7 Unionist
8 Hardcore Unionist

I figure Liberal Unionist is like the Alliance Party? Which would be more like non-Unionist Protestant? Because otherwise I think the test result is wrong.

Except 7 and 8 flipping (NOT flattering to me...) that was my exact result.

[Duke Fan]

It's so very complicated. I think that maybe the only solution is independence for Northern Ireland. It's not what I want, nor is it what the Catholics want. Prods will not submit to Irish rule. Cathies will not submit to British rule. We must all make compromises.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Some rational responces so far... not what you usually get on NI debates (see the comments on www.sluggerotoole.com)... or soc.culture.irish... aaiiieeee!!!

Another question:

How much gerrymandering is there in this map?

[minionofmidas]

The Belfast map sure looks odd. And I like the bit with Mid Antrim and Central Antrim.
Oh, and: The problem with NI Independence is that without proper guarantees to the Taigs (to use the appropriate slur) it'll mean Protestants dominating Catholics - as between 1929 and 1973, when NI had largescale autonomy.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The most gerrymandered constituancy was City of Londonderry... IMO

[minionofmidas]

What exactly are these anyways? What were they used for?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

What exactly are these anyways? What were they used for?

They were the constituancies for the Stormont Parliament

[Duke Fan]

Anyone here ever been to Shankill or the Falls?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Anyone here ever been to Shankill or the Falls?

No... no I haven't... and I wouldn't want to either... Shankill is about 90% Protestant and Falls about 90% Catholic...

[Duke Fan]

Anyone here ever been to Shankill or the Falls?

No... no I haven't... and I wouldn't want to either... Shankill is about 90% Protestant and Falls about 90% Catholic...

I would want to go to see the Peace Wall and the Murals. Better not wear my Rangers top to Falls though.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Anyone here ever been to Shankill or the Falls?

No... no I haven't... and I wouldn't want to either... Shankill is about 90% Protestant and Falls about 90% Catholic...

I would want to go to see the Peace Wall and the Murals. Better not wear my Rangers top to Falls though.

Wearing a Rangers top in the Falls isn't reeeeeeeally a good idea... actually going to both Shankill and Falls in the same day is something to brag about...

[afleitch]

Thats another thing that annoys me! The stupidity displayed by some Celtic and Rangers fans both sides of the Irish Sea. They are GLASGOW....SCOTTISH teams- I wish people would stop hijacking it for religious means, and that goes to not only those from Northern Ireland, but from Scotland too. That said- congratulations Celtic on winning the title this year;) I'm local- I have an excuse!