Karen Pence returns to teaching at anti-LBGTQ school

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/16/karen-pence-christian-school-1104090

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[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Teaching at a school that wouldn't even admit Marlon Bundo? So much for family sticking together.

[NewYorkExpress]

If she was teaching at a school that allowed students/employees of all sexual orientations this wouldn't be an issue.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Part time art teacher at a bigot school... what a high achiever you are, mother.  You'd better give those rainbow paintings extra scrutiny!  Any people depicted on the same piece will surely have to have very rigid, strong wrists!

[Progressive Pessimist]

Karen Pence's decision is fairly typical but another issue with this is the fact that schools exist at all that won't admit LGBTQA+ students. That is the most shameful thing of all.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Karen Pence's decision is fairly typical but another issue with this is the fact that schools exist at all that won't admit LGBTQA+ students. That is the most shameful thing of all.

That's not the issue here, either.  A gay student going to a school like this would be very bad for that student.  It's everything about it that is bad. 

[Progressive Pessimist]

Karen Pence's decision is fairly typical but another issue with this is the fact that schools exist at all that won't admit LGBTQA+ students. That is the most shameful thing of all.

That's not the issue here, either.  A gay student going to a school like this would be very bad for that student.  It's everything about it that is bad. 

Good point.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

The legality of gay marriage may well be a settled issue for my lifetime, as the legality of abortion appears to be.  The acceptability and moral correctness of those issues is most certainly not settled, however.  At least not on Earth.  These issues ARE most certainly settled in Heaven, however, and certainly not in the manner of Supreme Court rulings. 

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity.  Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Karen Pence's decision is fairly typical but another issue with this is the fact that schools exist at all that won't admit LGBTQA+ students. That is the most shameful thing of all.

That's not the issue here, either.  A gay student going to a school like this would be very bad for that student.  It's everything about it that is bad. 

Good point.

But Freedom of Religion! Freedom of Expression! Blah, blah, blah! Because, you know, those rights make it okay to limit everyone else's.

Folks. It's a matter of good and evil. It really is that simple, I'm sorry to say.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Karen Pence's decision is fairly typical but another issue with this is the fact that schools exist at all that won't admit LGBTQA+ students. That is the most shameful thing of all.

That's not the issue here, either.  A gay student going to a school like this would be very bad for that student.  It's everything about it that is bad.  

Good point.

But Freedom of Religion! Freedom of Expression! Blah, blah, blah! Because, you know, those rights make it okay to limit everyone else's.

Folks. It's a matter of good and evil. It really is that simple, I'm sorry to say.

People's Freedom of Expression is limited all the time.  And lawfully so.  People don't get to wear their Stormfront T-shirts to work on Casual Day, and rightfully so. 

No one is required to attend a religious public school.  One enrolls their kids in such a school with the understanding that is is what it is and the rules are what they are.  You don't get to go there and openly advocate behavior that is anti-Biblical.  This is true for church employment as well.

Echo Chamber threads like this aren't about honest discussion of issues.  They're about attempting to force people to outwardly conform to a viewpoint that millions do not accept, and cannot accept, for reasons that have to do with Scripture.  It's not enough for someone like me to refrain from discriminating in housing, employment, etc.  It won't be enough until I admit I'm wrong, and they're right, and, even then, a period of prescribed shaming will be in order.

So that's not going to happen, because I'm not going to say God is wrong.  I'm not going to say that the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God.  I'm not going to say the Bible means something very different than what it means, and I'm not going to buy into other points of view that require buying into all sorts of gyrations to come to their conclusion.  

[Badger]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

The legality of gay marriage may well be a settled issue for my lifetime, as the legality of abortion appears to be.  The acceptability and moral correctness of those issues is most certainly not settled, however.  At least not on Earth.  These issues ARE most certainly settled in Heaven, however, and certainly not in the manner of Supreme Court rulings. 

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity.  Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

Did we ever resolved that issue that the original translation of the Bible arguably states do not lie with male relatives any more than one would lie with female relatives, because both are an abomination? Or words to that effect at any rate?

[libertpaulian]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

The legality of gay marriage may well be a settled issue for my lifetime, as the legality of abortion appears to be.  The acceptability and moral correctness of those issues is most certainly not settled, however.  At least not on Earth.  These issues ARE most certainly settled in Heaven, however, and certainly not in the manner of Supreme Court rulings. 

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity.  Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

Did we ever resolved that issue that the original translation of the Bible arguably states do not lie with male relatives any more than one would lie with female relatives, because both are an abomination? Or words to that effect at any rate?

The original translations of the Levitical passages referred more to pagan sexual rituals involving men moreso than homosexuality outright.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

There's a difference between being anti-SSM and wanting to stone the gays. Lefties support a certain group of people who want the latter. They even go so far as to demand increased immigration from that group.

and at the same time they bash Karen Pence. SMH

[Progressive Pessimist]

There's a difference between being anti-SSM and wanting to stone the gays. Lefties support a certain group of people who want the latter. They even go so far as to demand increased immigration from that group.

and at the same time they bash Karen Pence. SMH

That's one hell of a stretch. It's a pretty pathetic testament to the right's views on the LGBTQA+ community that they think defending them from the mooslems is equivalent to guaranteeing their equality. It's a typical MO by the right in this country: "we can do whatever we want because we are defending the average American from people who are different from them."

[Indy Texas]

She couldn't get a job at one of DC's many public schools?

Or does Karen Pence just not think black children are as deserving of learning about art?

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

The legality of gay marriage may well be a settled issue for my lifetime, as the legality of abortion appears to be.  The acceptability and moral correctness of those issues is most certainly not settled, however.  At least not on Earth.  These issues ARE most certainly settled in Heaven, however, and certainly not in the manner of Supreme Court rulings. 

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity.  Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

Did we ever resolved that issue that the original translation of the Bible arguably states do not lie with male relatives any more than one would lie with female relatives, because both are an abomination? Or words to that effect at any rate?

The original translations of the Levitical passages referred more to pagan sexual rituals involving men moreso than homosexuality outright.

I don't know Hebrew (I know a little Greek), so maybe I'm wrong.  But how did every Christian and Jew get it wrong before the 20th century?

[Badger]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

The legality of gay marriage may well be a settled issue for my lifetime, as the legality of abortion appears to be.  The acceptability and moral correctness of those issues is most certainly not settled, however.  At least not on Earth.  These issues ARE most certainly settled in Heaven, however, and certainly not in the manner of Supreme Court rulings. 

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity.  Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

Did we ever resolved that issue that the original translation of the Bible arguably states do not lie with male relatives any more than one would lie with female relatives, because both are an abomination? Or words to that effect at any rate?

The original translations of the Levitical passages referred more to pagan sexual rituals involving men moreso than homosexuality outright.

I don't know Hebrew (I know a little Greek), so maybe I'm wrong.  But how did every Christian and Jew get it wrong before the 20th century?

The very very short story is that the mistranslation was made, iirc, around the 3rd or 4th Century ad, and everything else delved from that.

[Fuzzy Bear]

She couldn't get a job at one of DC's many public schools?

Or does Karen Pence just not think black children are as deserving of learning about art?

Perhaps Karen Pence wishes to be part of bringing up children in the fear and admonition of the Lord, and not be part of infusing them with secular doctrines that have, as far as I am concerned, damaged the institution of the nuclear family to tragic levels.

[Indy Texas]

She couldn't get a job at one of DC's many public schools?

Or does Karen Pence just not think black children are as deserving of learning about art?

Perhaps Karen Pence wishes to be part of bringing up children in the fear and admonition of the Lord, and not be part of infusing them with secular doctrines that have, as far as I am concerned, damaged the institution of the nuclear family to tragic levels.

Ah yes, the nuclear family is what it is because we made the fatal error of providing public education to Those People.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Karen Pence's decision is fairly typical but another issue with this is the fact that schools exist at all that won't admit LGBTQA+ students. That is the most shameful thing of all.

That's not the issue here, either.  A gay student going to a school like this would be very bad for that student.  It's everything about it that is bad.  

Good point.

But Freedom of Religion! Freedom of Expression! Blah, blah, blah! Because, you know, those rights make it okay to limit everyone else's.

Folks. It's a matter of good and evil. It really is that simple, I'm sorry to say.

People's Freedom of Expression is limited all the time.  And lawfully so.  People don't get to wear their Stormfront T-shirts to work on Casual Day, and rightfully so. 

No one is required to attend a religious public school.  One enrolls their kids in such a school with the understanding that is is what it is and the rules are what they are.  You don't get to go there and openly advocate behavior that is anti-Biblical.  This is true for church employment as well.

Echo Chamber threads like this aren't about honest discussion of issues.  They're about attempting to force people to outwardly conform to a viewpoint that millions do not accept, and cannot accept, for reasons that have to do with Scripture.  It's not enough for someone like me to refrain from discriminating in housing, employment, etc.  It won't be enough until I admit I'm wrong, and they're right, and, even then, a period of prescribed shaming will be in order.

So that's not going to happen, because I'm not going to say God is wrong.  I'm not going to say that the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God.  I'm not going to say the Bible means something very different than what it means, and I'm not going to buy into other points of view that require buying into all sorts of gyrations to come to their conclusion.  

God is wrong, and refusing to accept the dignity and worth of millions of fellow citizens "for reasons that have to do with Scripture" is ridiculous. Normatively speaking, I do think you should be forced out of these patterns that actively discriminate. Believe what you want, but you can't act on it if it's to the legitimate detriment of others. And I'm not sorry.

I am sorry, however, that you are so deluded to think it takes "gyrations" to accept, validate, and celebrate the contributions of queer people. It's sad, shameful, and wholly reflective of your shortcomings as a person.

[GMantis]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

Why are you so certain about this? Such activities would not contradict a "biblical lifestyle". In fact depending on the interpretation of the Curse of Ham, they would be entirely in line with biblical teaching.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

Why are you so certain about this? Such activities would not contradict a "biblical lifestyle". In fact depending on the interpretation of the Curse of Ham, they would be entirely in line with biblical teaching.

Absolute nonsense.

I'm not going to comment on some extremist academy you might find in some obscure place, but 99% of Christian schools would not put up with this, nor would they consider this in line with Biblical teaching. 

Posts like this are pure propaganda, repeating a falsehood to where it will seem real to some who don't know better.

[libertpaulian]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

The legality of gay marriage may well be a settled issue for my lifetime, as the legality of abortion appears to be.  The acceptability and moral correctness of those issues is most certainly not settled, however.  At least not on Earth.  These issues ARE most certainly settled in Heaven, however, and certainly not in the manner of Supreme Court rulings. 

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity.  Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

Did we ever resolved that issue that the original translation of the Bible arguably states do not lie with male relatives any more than one would lie with female relatives, because both are an abomination? Or words to that effect at any rate?

The original translations of the Levitical passages referred more to pagan sexual rituals involving men moreso than homosexuality outright.

I don't know Hebrew (I know a little Greek), so maybe I'm wrong.  But how did every Christian and Jew get it wrong before the 20th century?

Maybe how large portions of the church got justification wrong in the Middle Ages?

[mvd10]

There's a difference between being anti-SSM and wanting to stone the gays. Lefties support a certain group of people who want the latter. They even go so far as to demand increased immigration from that group.

and at the same time they bash Karen Pence. SMH

American Muslims might not be as bad, but look at the ''refugees'' the Democrats and other progressive leftists all over the world want to bring in. Note the Palestinian support for Sharia law btw. These deplorables shouldn't ever get their country, Palestine would be just another sh**thole where women and gays will be oppressed.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Christian schools have every right to hold students and faculty to Biblical standards of conduct.  That's why they're in business.  I'm sure that if a student came to a Christian school and recruited for Stormfront, they'd be expelled, and that's within the perogative of a Christian school.  This school will not allow for homosexual behavior or advocacy of same.  That's their perogative. 

The legality of gay marriage may well be a settled issue for my lifetime, as the legality of abortion appears to be.  The acceptability and moral correctness of those issues is most certainly not settled, however.  At least not on Earth.  These issues ARE most certainly settled in Heaven, however, and certainly not in the manner of Supreme Court rulings. 

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity.  Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

Did we ever resolved that issue that the original translation of the Bible arguably states do not lie with male relatives any more than one would lie with female relatives, because both are an abomination? Or words to that effect at any rate?

The original translations of the Levitical passages referred more to pagan sexual rituals involving men moreso than homosexuality outright.

I don't know Hebrew (I know a little Greek), so maybe I'm wrong.  But how did every Christian and Jew get it wrong before the 20th century?

Maybe how large portions of the church got justification wrong in the Middle Ages?

But did the entire church on every continent get it wrong?  Because to me it just seems odd that Christians were only able to figure out the correct interpretation of the Biblical passages in question after secularists began to argue for gay rights. 

There were plenty of precursors to the Reformation, and the Reformers were inspired by the likes of Augustine, who lived over 1000 years earlier.

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Based on what evidence?