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« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2019, 11:24:38 am »

Amending my response.

Because a lot of people like base, uncontained antisemitism and are willing to support him because of it, not in spite of it.

Every wondered where the BNP went? They're woke now.
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« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2019, 01:52:33 pm »

I think worth mentioning is that Corbyn and the Labour Party have a problem in getting to 50% that the tories don't have - that 30-50 seats that were previously reliably part of the left coalition vote for a left-wing separatist party (Scotland's SNP).

Part of labour's strategy must be to win back Scotland, and I'd argue that Corbyn has and will continue to be more effective in doing so than some Blairite figure.
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« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2019, 03:07:02 pm »
« Edited: January 21, 2019, 03:27:42 pm by rc18 »

I think worth mentioning is that Corbyn and the Labour Party have a problem in getting to 50% that the tories don't have - that 30-50 seats that were previously reliably part of the left coalition vote for a left-wing separatist party (Scotland's SNP).

Part of labour's strategy must be to win back Scotland, and I'd argue that Corbyn has and will continue to be more effective in doing so than some Blairite figure.

It was the Scottish Tories, led by someone who is effectively a Tory blairite, who gained the most in Scotland at the 2017 General election.  Current polling has Labour treading water at best.  And if the polls are to be believed when it comes to favourability polling Corbyn isn't any more popular north of the border than he is in the rest of the UK.
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2019, 04:43:35 pm »

This thread is a complete abortion. Christ. Anyway, this is about right.
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« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2019, 05:20:24 pm »
« Edited: January 21, 2019, 05:25:18 pm by Anomalocaris🌹#Bernie2020 »

Every wondered where the BNP went? They're woke now.

This is fantasy and an extremely bizarre one at that.
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« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2019, 03:44:39 am »

It's hilarious that there's also a thread with this question.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=311461.0

If you replace Corbyn with some Blairite, then the Liberal Democrats and other parties do better.
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2019, 06:07:39 am »
« Edited: January 25, 2019, 06:13:32 am by vileplume »

Because Labour are doing well in the polls under him?

They're consistently trailing one of the most incompetent UK governments in history.

See Big Abraham's post

Erm being 'even' with one of the most useless and divided governments in living memory isn't anything to write home about.

It's true that a Labour party lead by someone like Corbyn is not going to get anywhere near the leads Labour were getting in the polls in the mid 90s in the dying days of the Major government  because he's never going to appeal to disaffected dyed in the wool Tory voters in the way Blair could. However you would have thought they would at least be able to open up a consistent mid to high single digit lead against a government as bad as this one.

Obviously things could change when something is done re. Brexit whether that be no deal, a second referendum, article 50 extension etc. but for left leaning people it should be at least somewhat concerning that Labour hasn't broken through.



Well there are still going to be a large pool of loyal Tory voters either way, and British politics are no less divided than American politics are, so things are going to be relatively even at any particular moment. You also conveniently left out the parts of their polling where they had not insignificant gains compared to the Conservatives. But in all fairness, the current political climate might indicate their numbers should be higher, and the Tories are still (somewhat) managing to hold their own right now, probably due to still somewhat weak nationwide approval ratings for Corbyn.  

Well it is of course true that Labour lead in the polls in the latter half of 2017 in the aftermath of the election. However this lead had disappeared by early 2018 and the Tories were consistently ahead by the summer, given the huge rift within the governing party and the widespread public perception of extreme incompetence this really shouldn't have happened.

The point you make about divisions in the country is a fair one however there are also huge, irreconcilable divisions within the Conservative party and it's fairly remarkable that the party is so far holding up as well as it is all things considered. I would argue the main reason why the Tory vote is holding up so well is down primarily to Corbyn. Voters on the centre-right hate Corbyn with a passion and the desire to stop him becoming PM is about the only thing uniting them right now (the same goes for the parliamentary party). I do agree with you that even with a different, less divisive  leader it would be difficult for Labour to appeal to Tory voters without alienating their own base. However I think it's likely without the threat of Corbyn becoming PM more disaffected Tory voters would defect to UKIP on the right and the Lib Dems on the left (Labour would probably also be losing less voters to the Lib Dems with a different leader) which would give Labour a clear lead in the polls. Obviously when a decision is made on Brexit the Tory coalition may well collapse anyway though for that we'll just have to wait and see.
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