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« on: February 13, 2019, 04:44:23 AM »

The 1990s were the decade that incarceration rates rose and welfare was "reformed" while healthcare legislation failed to pass. Is it safe to say that the 1990s were a conservative decade?
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2019, 05:31:00 AM »

I guess the only thing that can be constructed as "liberal" (if you have a shallow enough view of liberalism) was the decay of moral norms as evidenced by (but by no means limited to) Clinton's rampant perversion. PROGRESS Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2019, 11:12:20 AM »

I guess the only thing that can be constructed as "liberal" (if you have a shallow enough view of liberalism) was the decay of moral norms as evidenced by (but by no means limited to) Clinton's rampant perversion. PROGRESS Smiley

Compare public attitudes toward homosexuality and marijuana in 1989 and 2000.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2019, 01:45:34 PM »

I guess the only thing that can be constructed as "liberal" (if you have a shallow enough view of liberalism) was the decay of moral norms as evidenced by (but by no means limited to) Clinton's rampant perversion. PROGRESS Smiley

Compare public attitudes toward homosexuality and marijuana in 1989 and 2000.
indeed...interracial couples too....especially that one specific coupling that really bothers some people so much.  Probably dozens of other, less obvious things too.
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 01:52:54 PM »

In 1989, there was no crime bill and incarceration rates were much lower.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2019, 02:32:14 PM »

In many ways the 1990s are a reverse 1950s


The 1950s are viewed as pretty conservative due to the fact that it really was the decade during that era(1930s-1960s) which werent totally liberal and the 1990s was the only decade in its era which wasnt totally conservative(1980s-2000s).


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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 03:13:16 PM »

Maybe not in actual policies, but didn't homosexuality gain a lot more acceptance. Bill Clinton at least opened the armed forces for homosexuals.

In many ways the 1990s are a reverse 1950s


The 1950s are viewed as pretty conservative due to the fact that it really was the decade during that era(1930s-1960s) which werent totally liberal and the 1990s was the only decade in its era which wasnt totally conservative(1980s-2000s).




Agree. The presidencies of Ike and Billy have a lot in common: They were moderate and came into office after the other party held the presidency for more than two terms. They succeeded the vice president of a liberal/conservative hero. Both lost congress entirely during the first term and won reelection against an elder statesman of the opposition party. And both almost had their own vice president elected to succeed them. And in both cases, the "losing" side claimed irregularities.
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 03:30:28 PM »

Maybe not in actual policies, but didn't homosexuality gain a lot more acceptance. Bill Clinton at least opened the armed forces for homosexuals.

In many ways the 1990s are a reverse 1950s


The 1950s are viewed as pretty conservative due to the fact that it really was the decade during that era(1930s-1960s) which werent totally liberal and the 1990s was the only decade in its era which wasnt totally conservative(1980s-2000s).




Agree. The presidencies of Ike and Billy have a lot in common: They were moderate and came into office after the other party held the presidency for more than two terms. They succeeded the vice president of a liberal/conservative hero. Both lost congress entirely during the first term and won reelection against an elder statesman of the opposition party. And both almost had their own vice president elected to succeed them. And in both cases, the "losing" side claimed irregularities.

And Both were personally far more liberal/conservative than their presidencies were. Bill Clinton's first two years show this , it really was after 1994 when he took a sharp turn to the right . For example, Bill Clinton's Healthcare proposal was to the left of  Obama's and proof of that is Bob Dole's alternative to Hillarycare is basically Obamacare.

Eisenhower mentored Reagan from 1965-1968 believing him to be the future of the party and privately supported him in the 66 Gubernatorial primaries(https://www.weeklystandard.com/fred-barnes/unearthing-the-eisenhower-reagan-connection) . Also, the conservatives during Eisenhower's day were much different and resembled people like Taft while it was the Liberal Republicans who were in favor of a more interventionist foreign policy, so Eisenhower allied himself with the more liberal wing due to that.


At the end of the day though I believe Clinton should be judged as a Conservative Democrat and Eisenhower a Liberal Republican because even if they werent personally , their policies were and thats more important.
 
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 03:46:24 PM »

I guess the only thing that can be constructed as "liberal" (if you have a shallow enough view of liberalism) was the decay of moral norms as evidenced by (but by no means limited to) Clinton's rampant perversion. PROGRESS Smiley

Compare public attitudes toward homosexuality and marijuana in 1989 and 2000.
indeed...interracial couples too....especially that one specific coupling that really bothers some people so much.  Probably dozens of other, less obvious things too.

OK, fair enough. The country moved to the left on ~culture war~ issues in general - in the good as well as in the bad.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 04:52:34 PM »

I guess the only thing that can be constructed as "liberal" (if you have a shallow enough view of liberalism) was the decay of moral norms as evidenced by (but by no means limited to) Clinton's rampant perversion. PROGRESS Smiley

Compare public attitudes toward homosexuality and marijuana in 1989 and 2000.
indeed...interracial couples too....especially that one specific coupling that really bothers some people so much.  Probably dozens of other, less obvious things too.

OK, fair enough. The country moved to the left on ~culture war~ issues in general - in the good as well as in the bad.

Any examples of this "decaying of moral norms" in the 1990s?
(As for Clinton, Presidents have been having affairs since the very beginning. It's not like JFK or Harding were paragons of virtue...)
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2019, 05:37:41 PM »

I guess the only thing that can be constructed as "liberal" (if you have a shallow enough view of liberalism) was the decay of moral norms as evidenced by (but by no means limited to) Clinton's rampant perversion. PROGRESS Smiley

Compare public attitudes toward homosexuality and marijuana in 1989 and 2000.
indeed...interracial couples too....especially that one specific coupling that really bothers some people so much.  Probably dozens of other, less obvious things too.

OK, fair enough. The country moved to the left on ~culture war~ issues in general - in the good as well as in the bad.

Any examples of this "decaying of moral norms" in the 1990s?
(As for Clinton, Presidents have been having affairs since the very beginning. It's not like JFK or Harding were paragons of virtue...)

At least he did more to hide it.
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2019, 09:04:14 PM »

all three major presidential candidates supported the assault weapons ban in 1992. and again in 2000
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2019, 09:54:07 PM »


1996 was more "left" than today. A 6-3 center-left supreme court majority, more progressive tax structure, more financial regulations in place, ICE didn't exist, no Patriot Act, housing more affordable, less debt, lower deficit, no Fox News, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2019, 07:50:54 PM »

Well, there was S-CHIP. Imagine a GOP senator co-sponsoring any kind of federal health program today.
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