Commonwealth of Fremont • 10th Parliament

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2.2. Article I of the Fremont Constitution is hereby amended as follows:

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2.3. Article II of the Fremont Constitution is hereby amended as follows:

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2.4. Article III of the Fremont Constitution is hereby amended as follows:

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2.5. Article IV of the Fremont Constitution is hereby amended as follows:

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2.6. Article V of the Fremont Constitution is hereby amended as follows:

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2.7. Article VI of the Fremont Constitution is hereby amended as follows:

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2.8. Article VII of the Fremont Constitution is hereby amended as follows:

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Mr. Speaker (and do forgive me if I'm mistaken here), may I ask what happened with the First Minister's request for opening more slots?

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Additionally, I should like to propose a series of amendments to the Standing Orders for the House of Commons - just updated the Wiki based on YE's proposed changes, I hope it's accurate - based on several issues I think warrant at least some debate:

Proposal 1: Increasing slots:

Article II, Section 3:

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Proposal 2: Ending an questionable rule:

Article IV, Section 1:

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Proposal 3: Clarifying time for possible objections to rule changes:

Article VI, Section 2:

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Article VI, Section 7:

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Proposal 4: Adapting Senate rules pertaining expulsion and censure:

Adding an entirely new Article, Article VII:

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[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Since rule changes are not classified as legislation, debate can begin now.

I am objecting to proposals 1 and 2.

Proposal 1 - I object to because the HoC previously tried using seven slots and people got burnt out.  Five slots is fine.

Proposal 2 - I'm generally in favor of allowing the Speaker to have discretion on voting matters, and twelve hours isn't very long.

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Since rule changes are not classified as legislation, debate can begin now.

I am objecting to proposals 1 and 2.

Proposal 1 - I object to because the HoC previously tried using seven slots and people got burnt out.  Five slots is fine.

Proposal 2 - I'm generally in favor of allowing the Speaker to have discretion on voting matters, and twelve hours isn't very long.

Would I'd be correct in assuming tentative support for proposals 3 and 4? (if so, much appreciated)

I do think there's merit to expanding the number of slots so as to not have legislation waiting too long, although that might be a side effect of other factors which may slow the process somewhat. Accounting for - and respecting - the FM's position I'd certainly also defer to what my MP colleagues and the Speaker would think.

Proposal 2 seems to me as rather unfair, we have a voting period for a reason and this rule was unilaterally invented to block a piece of legislation in which some MP's didn't vote on time, and I must say that seems both awfully arbitrary and not a good precedent. I'm not very supportive of the notion of changing the rules too often for the purpose of specific votes, and would argue this should become an exception by virtue of eliminating this addition rather than the new norm.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

The vote on the SOAP changes should have been opened a few days ago. So Mr. Speaker, may you please open the vote now.

[ON Progressive]

I will open it right now.

72 hours, as per usual.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

I vote AYE on all four rules changes. These amendments are much needed to ensure the continued smooth functioning of government.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Nay on proposals 1 and 2, aye on 3 and 4.

[Lumine]

Aye to all four.

[Orwell]

Aye to all four

[ON Progressive]

Aye on Proposals 1, 2, and 4.

Abstain on 3.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

With 7 total MPs, there are now 4 votes in the affirmative for every single rule change. So all 4 Standing Orders Amendments have now passed. All that remains is waiting for Koopa and Galaxie to vote.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Proposal I: Aye

Proposal II: Nay

Proposal III: Aye

Proposal IV: Aye

[YE]

Not happy with 1 being passed.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Not happy with 1 being passed.

The South has 12 slots. Lincoln has no slots whatsoever. I'd say a modest increase from 5 to 8 is a good thing, as it will allow Parliament to pass more legislation, and not have bills languish in the queue for months on end.
5 slots simply isn't adequate for the volume of legislation we are now experiencing. Bills languish i the queue for weeks, months, forgotten. Especially given how slow how standing orders make passing legislation, an increase in slots is most certainly needed.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I am going to request that the Speaker continue to limit legislation to five slots and reserve the remaining three for emergencies.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

I introduce the following amendment to the Standing Orders. Firstly, the Speaker may also move for cloture in addition to the First Minister, and secondly after the 72 hours debate any member can move for a final vote. This removes the 36 hour waiting game.

ARTICLE III, Sections 4-6

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[AustralianSwingVoter]

I object for procedural matters to force an immediate vote. Mr. Speaker?

[ON Progressive]

Vote granted.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

AYE

[ON Progressive]

I do think these two amendments should help make our bill passing procedure faster, especially getting rid of the 36 hour waiting period that is kinda unnecessary.

Aye.

[YE]

Why shortchange debate by axing the 36 hour time frame?