Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread

[GoTfan]

Excellent. At the very least, he'll continue pulling the Democrats to the left.

[GoTfan]

Excellent. At the very least, he'll continue pulling the Democrats to the left.

Which will cost us moderate voters in Colorado and Virginia.

Didn't Colorado just elect a fairly progressive governor?

[GoTfan]

Excellent. At the very least, he'll continue pulling the Democrats to the left.

Which will cost us moderate voters in Colorado and Virginia.

Didn't Colorado just elect a fairly progressive governor?

Yeah, by 11 points nearly

I'd say that kinda proves my point then.

[GoTfan]

No amount of excuses will change the fact that Bernie Sanders in not a Democrat and should not get the Democratic Party's nomination.

Can you just imagine if the Republicans nominated an right wing independent who didn't consider themselves to be a Republican for President? That would be ridiculous and we would laugh a them.

However, just because Bernie is a "progressive champion" (show me his record though), this is supposedly OK with some Democrats.

Anyways, Bernie might not be able to run in the Democratic primary because the DNC changed the rules last year and said that you have to be an actual Democrat to run in the primary. Imagine that.

You really are a spiteful human being aren't you?

If you take that attitude that he's forbidden from entering a primary, then that's a lot of people that are gonna stay home if Harri, Biden or Booker get nominated.

[GoTfan]

If Kamala Harris or Beto O'Rourke or Amy Klobuchar win the nomination, will Bernie supporters vote for them in the general election?

Not if you keep shouting "You'RE NoT DEmOcrAtS" at them.

[GoTfan]

No amount of excuses will change the fact that Bernie Sanders in not a Democrat and should not get the Democratic Party's nomination.

Can you just imagine if the Republicans nominated an right wing independent who didn't consider themselves to be a Republican for President? That would be ridiculous and we would laugh a them.

However, just because Bernie is a "progressive champion" (show me his record though), this is supposedly OK with some Democrats.

Anyways, Bernie might not be able to run in the Democratic primary because the DNC changed the rules last year and said that you have to be an actual Democrat to run in the primary. Imagine that.

You really are a spiteful human being aren't you?

If you take that attitude that he's forbidden from entering a primary, then that's a lot of people that are gonna stay home if Harri, Biden or Booker get nominated.

A lot of the fanatical Sanders supporters are going to stay home anyway if he's not the nominee, except this time they can't claim that super delegates stole the nomination from him.

Which undercuts the argument if he's allowed to run.

He's actually been sitting in the Democratic caucuses in both houses longer than the Anointed Ones (Harris, Booker and O'Rourke) have. He's been running in the Democratic primaries in Vermont for a long time and he is currently a member of the Democratic Senate leadership.

For all intents and purposes, he is a Democrat.

[GoTfan]

According to this website, every other declared major Democratic is more progressive than Bernie Sanders.

Harris, Warren & Gillibrand all have a more progressive record than Bernie.

SOURCE: https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

Tf is this random website

I'm instantly skeptical of a site that proclaims Gilibrand and Harris and more left-wing than Sanders.

[GoTfan]

Young and fresh-faced Beto O'Rourke will steal his shine!

O'Rourke's a ex-three term Congressman who's only qualification is that he made a race against Ted Cruz.

[GoTfan]

Young and fresh-faced Beto O'Rourke will steal his shine!

O'Rourke's a ex-three term Congressman who's only qualification is that he made a race against Ted Cruz.

And Obama was a first term senator whose only qualification was beating Alan Keyes.

Yeah, if you can't spot the difference between O'Rourke and Obama, then I don't know what to do.

And no, I do not mean their skin colour before someone decides to call me racist.

[GoTfan]

Looking forward to all the BernieBros refusing to vote for some equally progressive dem when Bernie loses the primary.

It's been repeated countless times, but I'll say it again: More Sanders 2016 supporters voted for Clinton that Clinton 2008 supporters voted for Obama.

[GoTfan]

Young and fresh-faced Beto O'Rourke will steal his shine!

O'Rourke's a ex-three term Congressman who's only qualification is that he made a race against Ted Cruz.

And Obama was a first term senator whose only qualification was beating Alan Keyes.

Yeah, if you can't spot the difference between O'Rourke and Obama, then I don't know what to do.

And no, I do not mean their skin colour before someone decides to call me racist.

Please inform us.

I love how GOTfan never answered this.

Probably because I have a life outside this forum.

If you can point to O'Rourke giving a Convention speech that was similar in reception to the one Obama gave in 2004, then maybe I'll listen.

I also don't remember Obama getting a 47% rating from the Chamber of Commerce, or GovTrack putting him near the centre of the Democratic party.

[GoTfan]

According to this website, every other declared major Democratic is more progressive than Bernie Sanders.

Harris, Warren & Gillibrand all have a more progressive record than Bernie.

SOURCE: https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

Tf is this random website

I'm instantly skeptical of a site that proclaims Gilibrand and Harris and more left-wing than Sanders.

This website claims Josh Hawley and Martha Mcsally are tied for number 1 most progressive lmao

That tells me all I need to know.

[GoTfan]

Sanders never even tried to make a convincing case for Clinton. He constantly repeated that he endorsed her only because Trump was much worse.
Not to mention that a few hours before election day he essentially  signaled to his voters that it's OK to vote for Trump by saying he doesn't believe that whoever votes for him is a racist.

Because likely not everyone who voted for Trump is a racist.

[GoTfan]

I voted for Bernie in the primaries and I've never had a problem with most of his policies. My issue is the diehard Bernie or Busters who would rather see the Democrats lose, just to prove a point. It's not the time for such egotistical thinking.

Who, as people on this thread have noted, made up a very small minority of his supporters.

Well if you only got your information from Atlas, you'd be forgiven for thinking that all Sanders supporters hated African-Americans and women with every fibre of their beings.

Reality could not be further from the truth.

[GoTfan]

I really don't understand this forum's visceral hatred of Bernie Sanders.

Because he cost the 2016 election (Hillary was not entitled to votes and failed to make her case), all his supporters are racist and sexist, he's racist and sexist, we all hate women and want African-Americans to die.

From what I can gather, this is the level of hyperbole that Sanders Derangement Syndrome sufferers go to.

[GoTfan]

How do you scare a BernieBro?

Basic political science.

Sanders is the perfect candidate if the DNC wants to lose the rust belt, white women, and start the flow of millennials to the GOP.

This makes little to zero sense at all. Sanders does exceptionally well among younger voters regardless of colour or gender, and is reasonably popular in the industrial states.

[GoTfan]

Oh no, when is this guy going away? I wish he would. Hopefully he fails early on.

Yes how dare he run for President more than once.

[GoTfan]

[GoTfan]

I keep on having this sinking feeling that 2020 will be a repeat of 2016. Close primary between the neoliberal establishment and the progressive wing and then a Trump victory.
Ugh, Bernie...why

Because it's not about us. It's about him.

Yes, how dare he stand in the path of the Anointed One.

[GoTfan]

"We have got to look at candidates not by the color of their skin, not by their sexual orientation or gender, and not by their age. I think we have got to try to move us toward a nondiscriminatory society that looks at people based on their abilities, based on what they stand for."

hahahaha

Ugh. Don't do this Bernie.

I have a really sinking feeling about this. I like him, I think he's a great guy with some great ideas, but this spells only bad things. At best, he wins the nomination and has to square off against a guy who has made defeating socialism his number one priority in 2020. At worst, he fractures the base, the BernieBros split off and flock to Howard Schultz or whomever, and Trump gets re-elected.

I'm nervous about this.

Trust me, Sanders supporters are not going to vote for someone who is the very embodiment of everything they dislike.

[GoTfan]

Trust me, Sanders supporters are not going to vote for someone who is the very embodiment of everything they dislike.

oh yeah that would never happen

Hasn't this been discredited already on about 3 or 4 different threads?

Oh wait . . . because he's running against the Anointed One, we must attack him at every opportunity and every criticism about Harris doesn't matter and is irrelevant, right?

Seems to be the mssage I'm reading.

[GoTfan]

My reaction:

https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/1097897255904829440
 

I’m not even sure what point they’re trying to make. Is there one?

Many women are afraid of the harassment that would come forward from the Bernie cult that refuses to die out the misogynist taunts  that's hurried  towards extremely brave women like Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris. It's saddening when freedom of speech is repressed by an all powerful demographic  group that wants to cease any opposition to a candidate they support. In a nation like America this shouldn't be the case under our democracy. If this all erupted during metoo fiasco of the past few years the media would've been harder on Bernie to call out on his disgraceful supporters.

Bernie Sanders should address this important issue during the campaign trail or at least confessed it with an interviewer that wants his take on the Bernie Bro phenomenon.

Well to be honest, every criticism about someone like Kamala Harris has been largely legitimate and with evidence. Yet, the response is invariably one of these:

"Doesn't matter."
"No one cares."
"It's irrelevant."
"You're only saying this because She's a woman/black/a black woman"
"You're racist/sexist."
"You hate women/blacks"

The amount of times I've been called racist or sexist on here for criticising the Anointed One borders on ridiculous, as does the fact that you froth at the mouth everyone someone dares breathe Sanders' name.

[GoTfan]

My reaction:

https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/1097897255904829440
 

I’m not even sure what point they’re trying to make. Is there one?

Many women are afraid of the harassment that would come forward from the Bernie cult that refuses to die out the misogynist taunts  that's hurried  towards extremely brave women like Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris. It's saddening when freedom of speech is repressed by an all powerful demographic  group that wants to cease any opposition to a candidate they support. In a nation like America this shouldn't be the case under our democracy. If this all erupted during metoo fiasco of the past few years the media would've been harder on Bernie to call out on his disgraceful supporters.

Bernie Sanders should address this important issue during the campaign trail or at least confessed it with an interviewer that wants his take on the Bernie Bro phenomenon.

Well to be honest, every criticism about someone like Kamala Harris has been largely legitimate and with evidence. Yet, the response is invariably one of these:

"Doesn't matter."
"No one cares."
"It's irrelevant."
"You're only saying this because She's a woman/black/a black woman"
"You're racist/sexist."
"You hate women/blacks"

The amount of times I've been called racist or sexist on here for criticising the Anointed One borders on ridiculous, as does the fact that you froth at the mouth everyone someone dares breathe Sanders' name.

Nice straw man.

But true regardless.

There are more than a few people on this site who criticise Harris, and it's pretty heavily implied by a lot of posters that anyone who does criticise her is a disgusting racist/sexist/racist and sexist. It's worse if that person  happens to be a Sanders supporter, in which case they're openly written off as someone with a pathological hatred of anyone who's not a white male.

[GoTfan]

National co-chairs announced: Nina Turner, Ro Khanna, Carmen Yulín Cruz, and Ben Cohen (of Ben and Jerry’s).

Wow! That’s a mega FF team if I’ve ever seen one.

There's also this: https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-hires-top-civil-liberties-advocate-faiz-shakir-as-campaign-manager

In effect, Sanders has just hired the first Muslim-American Presidential campaign manager.

[GoTfan]

In effect, Sanders has just hired the first Muslim-American Presidential campaign manager.

His white working class support will now skyrocket from this populist pick.

You criticise him for doing too much to appeal to the WWC.

Now you're criticising him for picking a Muslim campaign manager.

You people will literally criticise him over every single thing he does.