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« on: January 27, 2019, 11:02:34 PM »


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Follow the link and listen to the last 18 seconds. Bolton talks about how a bunch of American oil companies are already in discussions about what to do with Venezuela’s oil once Maduro is gone as President and the American puppet, Guiado, is installed in his place.

This is 2003 all over again and most people are lining up behind this just like they did with Iraq. Americans claim to learn from history, but they never really do. American imperialists just can’t let a day go by without some fresh blood dripping from their hands.
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 08:51:46 AM »

Guaidó is a moderate leader with popular support. In Iraq, there was no such leader.
I do believe Bolton is a vile man and the Trump administration's intentions might not be the best, but it doesn't change the fact that Maduro is a corrupt, illegitimate tyrant who's ruining the country and making its people miserable. Want to side with Russia, China and Turkey? That's on you. I'm glad the western world, and my own government, is siding with the moderate leader who'll help advance democracy, human rights and yes, a good quality of life for the people of Venezuela.
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2019, 11:01:34 AM »

Indeed, the difference (well, actually only one of the differences) between Venezuela and Iraq is that Guaidó is a legitimately-elected official who has legitimately invoked a clause in the Venezuelan constitution to check the anti-democratic and oppressive practices of an illegitimate, tyrannical leader in Maduro.
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2019, 11:25:55 AM »

Indeed, the difference (well, actually only one of the differences) between Venezuela and Iraq is that Guaidó is a legitimately-elected official who has legitimately invoked a clause in the Venezuelan constitution to check the anti-democratic and oppressive practices of an illegitimate, tyrannical leader in Maduro.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2019, 12:26:46 PM »
« Edited: January 28, 2019, 12:31:31 PM by Tulsi "Both sides" Gabbard »


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Follow the link and listen to the last 18 seconds. Bolton talks about how a bunch of American oil companies are already in discussions about what to do with Venezuela’s oil once Maduro is gone as President and the American puppet, Guiado, is installed in his place.

This is 2003 all over again and most people are lining up behind this just like they did with Iraq. Americans claim to learn from history, but they never really do. American imperialists just can’t let a day go by without some fresh blood dripping from their hands.

Ok, but how can that possibly be worse than the PSUV keeping control of the oil fields? Yeah it's not ideal that foreigners will control their oil but its not as if the people are actually benefiting from it right now.
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2019, 12:38:17 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMplqEpfGhs&t=191s
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2019, 01:22:17 PM »


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Follow the link and listen to the last 18 seconds. Bolton talks about how a bunch of American oil companies are already in discussions about what to do with Venezuela’s oil once Maduro is gone as President and the American puppet, Guiado, is installed in his place.

This is 2003 all over again and most people are lining up behind this just like they did with Iraq. Americans claim to learn from history, but they never really do. American imperialists just can’t let a day go by without some fresh blood dripping from their hands.

Ok, but how can that possibly be worse than the PSUV keeping control of the oil fields? Yeah it's not ideal that foreigners will control their oil but its not as if the people are actually benefiting from it right now.
The DRC post Lumumba would like to say hello.

How people are spinning this from and backwards that “it’s different this time” are surely either naďve or disingenuous to what they are saying.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2019, 01:53:01 PM »

Shameless unreconstructed neocon has shameless unreconstructed neocon ideas. News at 11.
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2019, 02:16:36 PM »


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Follow the link and listen to the last 18 seconds. Bolton talks about how a bunch of American oil companies are already in discussions about what to do with Venezuela’s oil once Maduro is gone as President and the American puppet, Guiado, is installed in his place.

This is 2003 all over again and most people are lining up behind this just like they did with Iraq. Americans claim to learn from history, but they never really do. American imperialists just can’t let a day go by without some fresh blood dripping from their hands.

Ok, but how can that possibly be worse than the PSUV keeping control of the oil fields? Yeah it's not ideal that foreigners will control their oil but its not as if the people are actually benefiting from it right now.
The DRC post Lumumba would like to say hello.

How people are spinning this from and backwards that “it’s different this time” are surely either naďve or disingenuous to what they are saying.

Even taking the ulterior motives of those backing Guaido into account, the greater competence and efficiency of the new leadership would ensure that whatever little trickles down from a hypothetical right wing puppet government would still be more than what the PSUV can currently provide for the people.
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2019, 03:00:31 PM »


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Follow the link and listen to the last 18 seconds. Bolton talks about how a bunch of American oil companies are already in discussions about what to do with Venezuela’s oil once Maduro is gone as President and the American puppet, Guiado, is installed in his place.

This is 2003 all over again and most people are lining up behind this just like they did with Iraq. Americans claim to learn from history, but they never really do. American imperialists just can’t let a day go by without some fresh blood dripping from their hands.

Ok, but how can that possibly be worse than the PSUV keeping control of the oil fields? Yeah it's not ideal that foreigners will control their oil but its not as if the people are actually benefiting from it right now.
The DRC post Lumumba would like to say hello.

How people are spinning this from and backwards that “it’s different this time” are surely either naďve or disingenuous to what they are saying.

Even taking the ulterior motives of those backing Guaido into account, the greater competence and efficiency of the new leadership would ensure that whatever little trickles down from a hypothetical right wing puppet government would still be more than what the PSUV can currently provide for the people.
Unless, say, the coalition dies when a Bolsonaro-life figure emerges from the chaos of a coalition whose existence is against the fat one. A strongman has a pretty good chance to co-opt the whole thing.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2019, 07:36:00 PM »

Frankly, I'm surprised people think Venezuela has lots of oil to exploit. Ever since Chavez took control of PDVSA in 2002, it's continuously increased its reported reserves each year by ridiculous amounts despite not finding any significant new fields. I wouldn't trust PDVSA's declared reserves any more than I would any other statistical info from their government.
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« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2019, 10:55:49 PM »


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Follow the link and listen to the last 18 seconds. Bolton talks about how a bunch of American oil companies are already in discussions about what to do with Venezuela’s oil once Maduro is gone as President and the American puppet, Guiado, is installed in his place.

This is 2003 all over again and most people are lining up behind this just like they did with Iraq. Americans claim to learn from history, but they never really do. American imperialists just can’t let a day go by without some fresh blood dripping from their hands.

Here's the full video without the awkward transparent hack job selective editing:
https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5993599263001/#sp=show-clips

What they are discussing is how to remove assets from Maduro in order to lessen his power.
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2019, 11:27:24 PM »


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Follow the link and listen to the last 18 seconds. Bolton talks about how a bunch of American oil companies are already in discussions about what to do with Venezuela’s oil once Maduro is gone as President and the American puppet, Guiado, is installed in his place.

This is 2003 all over again and most people are lining up behind this just like they did with Iraq. Americans claim to learn from history, but they never really do. American imperialists just can’t let a day go by without some fresh blood dripping from their hands.

Here's the full video without the awkward transparent hack job selective editing:
https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5993599263001/#sp=show-clips

What they are discussing is how to remove assets from Maduro in order to lessen his power.

Jesus Christ I forgot how bad it's gotten. People actually think this is a "news" channel.
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2019, 12:27:10 AM »

"Troika of tyranny"Huh Lmao is this real?
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2019, 02:16:23 AM »

Frankly, I'm surprised people think Venezuela has lots of oil to exploit. Ever since Chavez took control of PDVSA in 2002, it's continuously increased its reported reserves each year by ridiculous amounts despite not finding any significant new fields. I wouldn't trust PDVSA's declared reserves any more than I would any other statistical info from their government.

Good point....

At the same time we have tons of new Tech running out of Houston and elsewhere to turn what might have been minor oil fields, and extract much more using the new tools available....

We have seen similar Tech used to take marginal oil fields and turn around massive profits over the past decade or two in Texas and elsewhere.....
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2019, 03:15:39 AM »

did "we" get Iraq's oil?  Did I miss that part?  I know you parrots repeated it so often that you know it must be true, but for those of us that think a little more independently, can you give me something to read on the subject?


wait, let me guess, that's not really the point is it?
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2019, 06:14:24 AM »

Frankly, I'm surprised people think Venezuela has lots of oil to exploit. Ever since Chavez took control of PDVSA in 2002, it's continuously increased its reported reserves each year by ridiculous amounts despite not finding any significant new fields. I wouldn't trust PDVSA's declared reserves any more than I would any other statistical info from their government.

Good point....

At the same time we have tons of new Tech running out of Houston and elsewhere to turn what might have been minor oil fields, and extract much more using the new tools available....

We have seen similar Tech used to take marginal oil fields and turn around massive profits over the past decade or two in Texas and elsewhere.....

If that tech were suitable for Venezuelan oil fields, you'd think by now a Russian or Chinese oil company would've done so. That they haven't suggests one of two things. It ain't there, or even the Russians and Chinese weren't willing to seal with corruption as pervasive as Venezuela's kleptocracy.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2019, 06:26:45 AM »

I generally don't support regime change, as it typically does more harm than good and leads to refugee crises. That said, in this instance there seems to be a viable alternative leader who has come into the spotlight naturally from within the country, making it a slightly better idea.

Obviously Maduro needs to go. But perhaps the US should leave things as they are, just to illustrate what the endpoint of socialism looks like for certain factions within this country.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2019, 07:16:47 AM »

Frankly, I'm surprised people think Venezuela has lots of oil to exploit. Ever since Chavez took control of PDVSA in 2002, it's continuously increased its reported reserves each year by ridiculous amounts despite not finding any significant new fields. I wouldn't trust PDVSA's declared reserves any more than I would any other statistical info from their government.

Good point....

At the same time we have tons of new Tech running out of Houston and elsewhere to turn what might have been minor oil fields, and extract much more using the new tools available....

We have seen similar Tech used to take marginal oil fields and turn around massive profits over the past decade or two in Texas and elsewhere.....

If that tech were suitable for Venezuelan oil fields, you'd think by now a Russian or Chinese oil company would've done so. That they haven't suggests one of two things. It ain't there, or even the Russians and Chinese weren't willing to seal with corruption as pervasive as Venezuela's kleptocracy.
or they lack the tech/haven't stolen the tech yet?
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2019, 12:36:07 AM »

Frankly, I'm surprised people think Venezuela has lots of oil to exploit. Ever since Chavez took control of PDVSA in 2002, it's continuously increased its reported reserves each year by ridiculous amounts despite not finding any significant new fields. I wouldn't trust PDVSA's declared reserves any more than I would any other statistical info from their government.

Good point....

At the same time we have tons of new Tech running out of Houston and elsewhere to turn what might have been minor oil fields, and extract much more using the new tools available....

We have seen similar Tech used to take marginal oil fields and turn around massive profits over the past decade or two in Texas and elsewhere.....

If that tech were suitable for Venezuelan oil fields, you'd think by now a Russian or Chinese oil company would've done so. That they haven't suggests one of two things. It ain't there, or even the Russians and Chinese weren't willing to seal with corruption as pervasive as Venezuela's kleptocracy.
or they lack the tech/haven't stolen the tech yet?

This is entirely plausible...

Although obviously my Screen Name indicates that I support a transition from Fossil Fuel based Energy, we can't underestimate the combination of hardware and software when it comes to Energy Extraction Modeling....

For Example, when I worked as a Contractor for a Fortune 50 Tech Company some 7 Years Back (Post NDA and Confidential Disclosure Agreements since am speaking in generalities), that was in no way shape or form involved in the Energy Sector, one of the projects that a team of Engineers was working on was modeling vibrations from a nearby highway to get ahead of the game when it came to selling a certain type of product of interest to Big Petro.

I first learned about "slant level drilling techniques" at the time of Iraq War v 1.0 (1990-1991), where one of the major disagreements between the Iraqi and Kuwaiti Governments right after the end of the Iran-Iraq War, where the Kuwaiti Government had employed Texas Oil Companies that specialized in the subject to use this technique to suck oil from under the territorial boundaries of Iraq in the Rumaila "Super Giant Oil Fields"....

Iraq didn't spend too much time on that during the Iran-Iraq War, since after all the Kuwaitis and Saudis were major supporters of the Baathist Regime....

After the Iran-Iraq War, Kuwaiti demanded immediate repayment on War Debts from the Iraqi Government, Iraq responded regarding Oil Field thefts, US GVT Ambassador April Gillespie under Bush Sr. tells the Iraqis "Go Ahead", Iraqi troops invade Kuwait, and well the rest is history....

Still, having lived in Houston for Four Years, not so long back, I am pretty much convinced that the US Petro Sector is "Top Notch" when it comes to the combination of data modelling, the use of tooling and software to successfully extract Petro even from Oil Fields that might be considered "Low Yield" fields, to turn them from what might be considered a marginal profit bank to a more significant revenue profit stream.

The Orinoco Belt is considered to be one of the largest in the World, and certainly US Technology will be the best in the world in recovering these reserves and flipping them from a marginal investment to a huge profit bank....

If the US can send a Man/Woman to the Moon, surely we can harvest the huge harvest of dinosaur bones turned into something that is still a major energy source, and limp through the future before our ability to even harvest "minor reserves" is exhausted....

How much of the War Drums beating are an "Imperialist Oil Grab", how much are "Overthrow an 'Unpopular Socialist Government", how much is just that the US GVT has been ignoring the ongoing Civil Crisis in Venezuela that has been ongoing for a Decade (DEM and PUB Administrations alike), where many of my Latino Friends and Co-Workers in Houston were talking about as a major crisis within America Latina....
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2019, 04:05:42 AM »

Bolton is right. The US should seize oil fields to srike a serious blow at Russia and China.
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2019, 02:11:25 PM »

Well at least they're more honest than in 2003.

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2019, 09:31:05 AM »

No personal bickering please.
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« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2019, 05:58:25 PM »

John Bolton is terrible but anybody defending Maduro is just a shill for Putin.
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« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2019, 10:16:44 PM »

In the grand strategic sense he is right I suppose. It would be swell to have a large oil producer firmly in our sphere of influence.
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