New (3/10) poll of Palestinians from Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 23, 2024, 03:08:48 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  International General Discussion (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  New (3/10) poll of Palestinians from Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research
« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2]
Author Topic: New (3/10) poll of Palestinians from Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research  (Read 797 times)
MyLifeIsYours
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 435
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.74, S: -6.61

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2024, 12:22:14 PM »

It’s quite honestly one poll and taken when most Palestinians probably can’t be reached well. That now Israel-hacks are latching onto it when they didn’t give a damn about public opinion beforehand is really telling.



Yes. Far too many Palestinians are concern about trying to survive while the IDF is massacring their loved ones and leaving them to starvation from a potential famine crisis.

Why is it that people will always twist themselves in knots to give the Palestinians the benefit of the doubt, and then immediately jump to the worst possible conclusions about Israel and believe anything bad they read, even if it's from a source they know to have reported fake news with a clear anti-Jew bias in the past?

Is it any wonder that Jews around the world believe so strongly that they need their own country where they're not at the mercy of other people's goodwill?

Again and again and again we have seen evidence that the Palestinians like Hamas.  They support Hamas.  When Hamas butchers and rapes Jews, they like this.  When Hamas declares war on Israel, they support this.  Even when that war results in the Palestinians getting absolutely annihilated and their cities razed to the ground they still say "yeah it was worth it."  Even when Hamas puts Palestinians in harm's way and steals their food and medical supplies and confiscates their homes and hospitals for military purposes, they still give it the thumbs-up.  And this isn't just about Hamas.  This has been the attitude of Palestinians for 75 years.  And yet we still have a majority of liberals inventing any kind of excuse they can to justify and defend these attitudes, so that they can remain in this mindset where Israel is the roadblock to peace, it's Israel who is to blame for everything bad that happens, it's Israel who is in the wrong whenever violence occurs.

With the ongoing war in Gaza, how could most Palestinians have time to answer poll questions with knowing the state of crisis. They are far more concern about their livehood where one day could be the last for them. There is also the fear of speaking out against Hamas that could led to their death. However regardless of one opinion, nobody should have their lives be threatened just because you disagree with what they believe in. What's happening in Gaza is a catastrophe that should end immediately with a permanent ceasefire.

I think we should not have reactionary groups like Hamas representing the Palestinian people but the oppressive apartheid state of Israel has allowed such a group to emerge to cause more havoc in the region.

Logged
GeneralMacArthur
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,911
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2024, 12:37:14 PM »

With the ongoing war in Gaza, how could most Palestinians have time to answer poll questions with knowing the state of crisis. They are far more concern about their livehood where one day could be the last for them.

Again, folks, the methodology is linked in the OP.  You do not have to invent things like this in your head.  This isn't some original concept you've just had.

There is also the fear of speaking out against Hamas that could led to their death. However regardless of one opinion, nobody should have their lives be threatened just because you disagree with what they believe in. What's happening in Gaza is a catastrophe that should end immediately with a permanent ceasefire.

In this case, what a majority of Palestinians of Gaza evidently "believe in" is that 10/7 was awesome, Hamas is the bomb, and raping dead women in front of their children is not an atrocity, in fact it's cool and good, as long as they're Jewish.  Yes, I think it is ok for Israel to threaten their lives because of a "disagreement" over that "belief."

I think we should not have reactionary groups like Hamas representing the Palestinian people but the oppressive apartheid state of Israel has allowed such a group to emerge to cause more havoc in the region.

Well, certainly now Israel is rectifying that mistake and far from "allowing Hamas to emerge" they are submerging Hamas six feet underground.

But I will note that once again you are perfectly illustrating my point by claiming this is all Israel's fault and the Palestinians have no agency or free will, everything they do or say or believe is in fact accountable to Israel.
Logged
VBM
VBNMWEB
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,810


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2024, 01:24:21 PM »

It’s quite honestly one poll and taken when most Palestinians probably can’t be reached well. That now Israel-hacks are latching onto it when they didn’t give a damn about public opinion beforehand is really telling.



Yes. Far too many Palestinians are concern about trying to survive while the IDF is massacring their loved ones and leaving them to starvation from a potential famine crisis.
The same Palestinians who refused to eat the food Biden gave them because it didn’t taste good enough?
Logged
Associate Justice PiT
PiT (The Physicist)
Atlas Politician
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 31,169
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2024, 01:49:15 PM »

     This is called the "rally around the flag" effect. People who are in a state of war will close ranks behind their own nation, even if it requires them to agree to morally reprehensible propositions. It strikes me that we are too comfortable in the West to properly comprehend this kind of phenomenon, even though the same thing happened here in the wake of 9/11.
Logged
GeneralMacArthur
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,911
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2024, 02:00:02 PM »

Sometimes I feel like there's literally absolutely nothing on the planet that would convince some people that a majority of Gazans just genuinely like Hamas, want them to stay in charge of Gaza, think their atrocities are awesome, and support the war effort against Israel.

Like there will always be some excuse.  It will always be Israel's fault.  Israel will always be the real mastermind villain.
Logged
MyLifeIsYours
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 435
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.74, S: -6.61

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2024, 03:09:48 PM »

It’s quite honestly one poll and taken when most Palestinians probably can’t be reached well. That now Israel-hacks are latching onto it when they didn’t give a damn about public opinion beforehand is really telling.



Yes. Far too many Palestinians are concern about trying to survive while the IDF is massacring their loved ones and leaving them to starvation from a potential famine crisis.
The same Palestinians who refused to eat the food Biden gave them because it didn’t taste good enough?

That's a lie. They want to eat the meals coming out of U.S. aid. What is happening is Bibi and the IDF are blocking all the food coming overseas to help those in Gaza, leading to starvation that will become a famine due to the negligence by many Western nations. Now the U.S is going to cut off UNRWA funding we will be seeing that unfortunate event soon.
Logged
GeneralMacArthur
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,911
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2024, 03:43:07 PM »

It’s quite honestly one poll and taken when most Palestinians probably can’t be reached well. That now Israel-hacks are latching onto it when they didn’t give a damn about public opinion beforehand is really telling.



Yes. Far too many Palestinians are concern about trying to survive while the IDF is massacring their loved ones and leaving them to starvation from a potential famine crisis.
The same Palestinians who refused to eat the food Biden gave them because it didn’t taste good enough?

That's a lie. They want to eat the meals coming out of U.S. aid. What is happening is Bibi and the IDF are blocking all the food coming overseas to help those in Gaza, leading to starvation that will become a famine due to the negligence by many Western nations. Now the U.S is going to cut off UNRWA funding we will be seeing that unfortunate event soon.


This is not true and the fact that you think it's true is indicative of how bad your information sources are.  You are being lied to you and you should be upset about it!

Tens of millions of meals have been provided to the Gazans so far, with the cooperation of Israel and the United States.  https://wck.org/news/northern-gaza-convoy

Meanwhile the UNRWA continues to employ Hamas members and allow Hamas to use its facilities for military purposes.  Facilities that up until quite recently were funded by your taxpayer dollars.  Employees who up until quite recently had their salaries paid by your taxpayer dollars.
Logged
MyLifeIsYours
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 435
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.74, S: -6.61

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2024, 03:54:27 PM »

It’s quite honestly one poll and taken when most Palestinians probably can’t be reached well. That now Israel-hacks are latching onto it when they didn’t give a damn about public opinion beforehand is really telling.



Yes. Far too many Palestinians are concern about trying to survive while the IDF is massacring their loved ones and leaving them to starvation from a potential famine crisis.
The same Palestinians who refused to eat the food Biden gave them because it didn’t taste good enough?

That's a lie. They want to eat the meals coming out of U.S. aid. What is happening is Bibi and the IDF are blocking all the food coming overseas to help those in Gaza, leading to starvation that will become a famine due to the negligence by many Western nations. Now the U.S is going to cut off UNRWA funding we will be seeing that unfortunate event soon.



Meanwhile the UNRWA continues to employ Hamas members and allow Hamas to use its facilities for military purposes.  Facilities that up until quite recently were funded by your taxpayer dollars.  Employees who up until quite recently had their salaries paid by your taxpayer dollars.

Only a tiny percentage of UNRWA members had ties with Hamas. Only 0.4% of UNRWA members had affiliated with Hamas.  The vast majority of the organization are just decent people trying to help the vulnerable in such a crucial time when the other side is hellbent on destroying any incoming aid.
Logged
GeneralMacArthur
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,911
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2024, 04:18:00 PM »


Only a tiny percentage of UNRWA members had ties with Hamas. Only 0.4% of UNRWA members had affiliated with Hamas.  The vast majority of the organization are just decent people trying to help the vulnerable in such a crucial time when the other side is hellbent on destroying any incoming aid.


This number is based on nothing and there is no way you or anyone else could possibly know the upper limit of how many UNRWA members were Hamas.

If people really want to help the vulnerable they should simply join an organization that is not compromised by Hamas.  Helping Hamas only makes life worse for the Gazans.

BTW I will note that the UNRWA and its defenders in the UN regularly insisted for years that all claims of Hamas infiltration were bogus and a malicious Israeli conspiracy to destroy the UNRWA.  I'm sure you would have believed it back then.  Turns out that was a lie and Israel was right.  So now they've switched to saying "yes Hamas was in the UNRWA but it was only a little Hamas!" and absolutely no defense whatsoever for the UNRWA infrastructure that was being used by Hamas.  Which is what you believe now.  I'm sure we will inevitably find ever more evidence of Hamas infiltration of the UNRWA and active cooperation between the two.  At which point the goalposts will shift again.
Logged
MyLifeIsYours
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 435
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.74, S: -6.61

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2024, 04:49:29 PM »

Only a tiny percentage of UNRWA members had ties with Hamas. Only 0.4% of UNRWA members had affiliated with Hamas.  The vast majority of the organization are just decent people trying to help the vulnerable in such a crucial time when the other side is hellbent on destroying any incoming aid.


This number is based on nothing and there is no way you or anyone else could possibly know the upper limit of how many UNRWA members were Hamas.

If people really want to help the vulnerable they should simply join an organization that is not compromised by Hamas.  Helping Hamas only makes life worse for the Gazans.

BTW I will note that the UNRWA and its defenders in the UN regularly insisted for years that all claims of Hamas infiltration were bogus and a malicious Israeli conspiracy to destroy the UNRWA.  I'm sure you would have believed it back then.  Turns out that was a lie and Israel was right.  So now they've switched to saying "yes Hamas was in the UNRWA but it was only a little Hamas!" and absolutely no defense whatsoever for the UNRWA infrastructure that was being used by Hamas.  Which is what you believe now.  I'm sure we will inevitably find ever more evidence of Hamas infiltration of the UNRWA and active cooperation between the two.  At which point the goalposts will shift again.

Child are dying of starvation in the Gaza strip because of the food shortage that is going to escalate with congress recent actions. UNRWA are one of the main sources to get supplies to the people in Gaza. Gutting an helpful organization due to a few bad apples is sickening, just appalling on so many levels that leaves me having tears in my eyes.

With all that is happening the fact Biden sign the bill is a mark against him and our leaders who did not dare to challenge the stripping of UNRWA funding in the bill.
Logged
PSOL
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,191


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2024, 08:43:51 PM »

First off, the MRE’s cause refeeding syndrome and leads to death among starving people.

Second, even liberals and conciliatory Palestinians have been pushed away from the two state solution and largely support Palestine’s war against Israel recently.
Logged
GeneralMacArthur
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,911
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2024, 10:04:16 PM »

Only a tiny percentage of UNRWA members had ties with Hamas. Only 0.4% of UNRWA members had affiliated with Hamas.  The vast majority of the organization are just decent people trying to help the vulnerable in such a crucial time when the other side is hellbent on destroying any incoming aid.


This number is based on nothing and there is no way you or anyone else could possibly know the upper limit of how many UNRWA members were Hamas.

If people really want to help the vulnerable they should simply join an organization that is not compromised by Hamas.  Helping Hamas only makes life worse for the Gazans.

BTW I will note that the UNRWA and its defenders in the UN regularly insisted for years that all claims of Hamas infiltration were bogus and a malicious Israeli conspiracy to destroy the UNRWA.  I'm sure you would have believed it back then.  Turns out that was a lie and Israel was right.  So now they've switched to saying "yes Hamas was in the UNRWA but it was only a little Hamas!" and absolutely no defense whatsoever for the UNRWA infrastructure that was being used by Hamas.  Which is what you believe now.  I'm sure we will inevitably find ever more evidence of Hamas infiltration of the UNRWA and active cooperation between the two.  At which point the goalposts will shift again.

Child are dying of starvation in the Gaza strip because of the food shortage that is going to escalate with congress recent actions. UNRWA are one of the main sources to get supplies to the people in Gaza. Gutting an helpful organization due to a few bad apples is sickening, just appalling on so many levels that leaves me having tears in my eyes.

With all that is happening the fact Biden sign the bill is a mark against him and our leaders who did not dare to challenge the stripping of UNRWA funding in the bill.


The UNRWA is far from the only organization capable of getting food and aid to Palestinians.

On the contrary, giving food/aid to the UNRWA to distribute, rather than getting it directly to Palestinians, is probably one of the least efficient things you could do.  Because the UNRWA is so compromised by Hamas that Hamas fighters probably get first dibs at any food/aid going through the UNRWA and at least some say in, if not total control over, its distribution.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the warehouses used by the UNRWA to store their food literally have Hamas hideouts buried underneath them, so that when Israel bombs those hideouts people like you can post a headline about how "Israel bombed a warehouse full of food for starving Gazans."  And then when Israel goes in afterwards with a video showing the Hamas hideout underneath the warehouse, nobody will see it or hear about it, and the UNRWA will just go "hurr durr we didn't know cause we duuuummmbbb" like they always do.  And then beg for more money from U.S. taxpayers.

In fact, I would say Joe Biden is saving Palestinian lives by defunding the UNRWA, because the same amount of food/aid is going to reach Gaza either way, but by doing it outside the purview of the UNRWA, we can do a better job of keeping it away from Hamas and getting it to the actual Palestinians who need it (whom you claim are dying of starvation despite the results of this poll showing most people have access to food).
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.24 seconds with 12 queries.