Virginia megathread

[Calthrina950]

VA Dems now embracing BDSer's.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/8/virginia-democrats-add-anti-semitism-accusation-pa/

The Washington Times??? Really???

An example of what I was alluding to elsewhere..

[Zaybay]

I mean, not really noteworthy or surprising. BDSers ran in 2018/2016 as well.

[Badger]

It's ironic that what began as a blackface scandal will end in the resignation of the state's black Lieutenant Governor, while the white Governor and Attorney General get off. The optics of this definitely are not good for the Democrats.

I don't think removing someone with multiple credible accusations of sexual assault and rape from office would count as bad optics.

Especially when Republicans explicitly and fervently take the deny deny minimize deny route in the same situation. The allegations here are not even quite to the same level as those against Kavanaugh, but you all rode his and Trump's shock to The Bitter End. Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame.

 Oh wait , none of you know the meaning of that word.

They are worse since these are actually corroborated

Please define for us how the allegations of against Fairfax are corroborated but those against Kavanaugh or not? I generally don't think you understand what the word corroborated means

[OSR stands with Israel]

It's ironic that what began as a blackface scandal will end in the resignation of the state's black Lieutenant Governor, while the white Governor and Attorney General get off. The optics of this definitely are not good for the Democrats.

I don't think removing someone with multiple credible accusations of sexual assault and rape from office would count as bad optics.

Especially when Republicans explicitly and fervently take the deny deny minimize deny route in the same situation. The allegations here are not even quite to the same level as those against Kavanaugh, but you all rode his and Trump's shock to The Bitter End. Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame.

 Oh wait , none of you know the meaning of that word.

They are worse since these are actually corroborated

Please define for us how the allegations of against Fairfax are corroborated but those against Kavanaugh or not? I generally don't think you understand what the word corroborated means

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47179976

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1532476002

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[136or142]

It's ironic that what began as a blackface scandal will end in the resignation of the state's black Lieutenant Governor, while the white Governor and Attorney General get off. The optics of this definitely are not good for the Democrats.

I don't think removing someone with multiple credible accusations of sexual assault and rape from office would count as bad optics.

Especially when Republicans explicitly and fervently take the deny deny minimize deny route in the same situation. The allegations here are not even quite to the same level as those against Kavanaugh, but you all rode his and Trump's shock to The Bitter End. Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame.

 Oh wait , none of you know the meaning of that word.

They are worse since these are actually corroborated

Please define for us how the allegations of against Fairfax are corroborated but those against Kavanaugh or not? I generally don't think you understand what the word corroborated means

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47179976

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1532476002

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Under the terms of inquiry to the FBI investigation they really weren't given the ability to look for corroborating evidence.

https://www.gq.com/story/kavanaugh-investigation-sham

Not to trivialize this, but the old British T.V Show Yes, Minister did a program on government ordered inquiries and investigations. 

Hacker (The Minister) believes all such inquiries to be impartial, but as Bernard (his Private Secretary) remarks, "Railway trains are impartial too, but if you lay down the lines for them that's the way they go."

[OSR stands with Israel]

It's ironic that what began as a blackface scandal will end in the resignation of the state's black Lieutenant Governor, while the white Governor and Attorney General get off. The optics of this definitely are not good for the Democrats.

I don't think removing someone with multiple credible accusations of sexual assault and rape from office would count as bad optics.

Especially when Republicans explicitly and fervently take the deny deny minimize deny route in the same situation. The allegations here are not even quite to the same level as those against Kavanaugh, but you all rode his and Trump's shock to The Bitter End. Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame.

 Oh wait , none of you know the meaning of that word.

They are worse since these are actually corroborated

Please define for us how the allegations of against Fairfax are corroborated but those against Kavanaugh or not? I generally don't think you understand what the word corroborated means

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47179976

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1532476002

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Under the terms of inquiry to the FBI investigation they really weren't given the ability to look for corroborating evidence.

Fairfax’s allegations have already have corroborating evidence against him , Kavanaugh’s didnt .


Really now the only think left to do is the VA legislature should call the people who have corroborated and question them under oath to see if it can be used or not (all of this should be done behind closed doors though) 

[henster]

Looks like Dems overreacted with Northam.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginians-split-on-governors-fate-amid-blackface-scandal-poll-shows/2019/02/09/93002e84-2bc1-11e9-b011-d8500644dc98_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.07950f0997db

[136or142]

It's ironic that what began as a blackface scandal will end in the resignation of the state's black Lieutenant Governor, while the white Governor and Attorney General get off. The optics of this definitely are not good for the Democrats.

I don't think removing someone with multiple credible accusations of sexual assault and rape from office would count as bad optics.

Especially when Republicans explicitly and fervently take the deny deny minimize deny route in the same situation. The allegations here are not even quite to the same level as those against Kavanaugh, but you all rode his and Trump's shock to The Bitter End. Shame Shame Shame Shame Shame.

 Oh wait , none of you know the meaning of that word.

They are worse since these are actually corroborated

Please define for us how the allegations of against Fairfax are corroborated but those against Kavanaugh or not? I generally don't think you understand what the word corroborated means

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-47179976

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1532476002

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Under the terms of inquiry to the FBI investigation they really weren't given the ability to look for corroborating evidence.

Fairfax’s allegations have already have corroborating evidence against him , Kavanaugh’s didnt .


Really now the only think left to do is the VA legislature should call the people who have corroborated and question them under oath to see if it can be used or not (all of this should be done behind closed doors though)  

There was more than one incident regarding Kavanaugh and at least one of them seems to have corroborating evidence:

[A former Yale] classmate said that he was “one-hundred-per-cent certain” that he had heard an account that was practically identical to [Deborah] Ramirez’s, thirty-five years ago, but the two had never spoken about it. He had hoped to convey this to the F.B.I., but, when he reached out to a Bureau official in Washington, D.C., he was told to contact the F.B.I. field office nearest his home. When he tried that, he was referred to a recording. After several attempts to reach a live person at the field office, he finally reached an official who he said had no idea what he was talking about. At this point, he went back to the official at the F.B.I.’s D.C. headquarters, who then referred him, too, to an 800-number tip line. (He eventually left a tip through an online portal.)

I haven't really followed the evidence into Fairfax and I have no interest in defending him.  But the FBI 'investigation' of Kavanaugh was a sham that was solely designed to give him cover.  There was never any serious attempt to uncover the truth of the allegations against him.

[Gass3268]

Looks like Dems overreacted with Northam.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/virginians-split-on-governors-fate-amid-blackface-scandal-poll-shows/2019/02/09/93002e84-2bc1-11e9-b011-d8500644dc98_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.07950f0997db

Not expecting this, but yeah, he’s staying.

[Landslide Lyndon]

[henster]

Same result with Franken, Dem pols/media overreact and overestimate how offended voters really are.

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http://www.startribune.com/majority-of-minnesotans-believe-franken-accusations-but-fewer-think-he-should-have-quit/469451383/

[Beet]

The American people pull through again! Sometimes I dream of what a paradise we would live in if we had a genuine democracy.

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The American people pull through again! Sometimes I dream of what a paradise we would live in if we had a genuine democracy.

They pull through by having a tie?

[Beet]

The American people pull through again! Sometimes I dream of what a paradise we would live in if we had a genuine democracy.

They pull through by having a tie?

Given the swift and near unanimous reaction by virtually every elite & thought leader a tie is impressive.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/notlarrysabato/status/1094380797816119299

[136or142]

The American people pull through again! Sometimes I dream of what a paradise we would live in if we had a genuine democracy.

They pull through by having a tie?

Given the swift and near unanimous reaction by virtually every elite & thought leader a tie is impressive.

It wouldn't surprise me if the pile-on generated a sympathetic backlash.

[Sumner 1868]

Well, it is Bill Clinton's party.

[Big Abraham]

Oh look. It turns out that black Virginians are not nearly as bothered by it as the media is, and that this scandal is almost entirely the result of fake moral outrage coming from white liberals. Colour me surprised.

[UncleSam]

If African Americans believe by 20% that he should not step down then that's pretty much the ballgame - he isn't stepping down if he has 60% of the black community on his side over this.

[henster]

I now think Fairfax is in a better position than before, we've seen voters aren't really into the MeToo lynch mobs as the media thinks they are. Most Americans still believe in due process and the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

[Horus]

Would be very interesting to see if there's an age gap but of course it's behind a paywall.

[136or142]

Well, it is Bill Clinton's party.

Better Bill Clinton's party than George W. Bush's or Donald Trump's party.

[Big Abraham]

Well, it is Bill Clinton's party.

Better Bill Clinton's party than George W. Bush's or Donald Trump's party.

As if there's any substantive difference between the three

[136or142]

Well, it is Bill Clinton's party.

Better Bill Clinton's party than George W. Bush's or Donald Trump's party.

As if there's any substantive difference between the three

Spare me from the lazy cynics.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Well, it is Bill Clinton's party.

Better Bill Clinton's party than George W. Bush's or Donald Trump's party.

As if there's any substantive difference between the three

Alt-left nihilism at its finest.