1964 if Goldwater supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964

[darklordoftech]

Would Goldwater win anywhere besides Arizona?

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Vermont , New Hampshire

[Mr. Smith]

Utah

[darklordoftech]

Utah

Because Civil Rights put an end to "No Mormons allowed" signs?

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[Sumner 1868]

There's a lot wrong with the map posted above, but I'll focus on the West. Goldwater's vote against civil rights actually helped him a lot in southern Idaho. See here for a full explanation. The only reason he lost that state is he was wiped out in the Panhandle. Montana in 1964 was very unionized (37.4%) because of mining, so I can't see him winning that state either way. Wyoming is a strong possibility, but even that wasn't a sure thing because of his opposition to agricultural subsidies.  Utah depends on who the LDS leaders throw their support towards.

[Kingpoleon]

393: Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey - 46.5%
60: Barry Goldwater/Norris Cotton - 33.0%
85: John Rarick/Robert Burren Morgan - 19.3%
Others - 1.2%

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Goldwater's support for the Civil Rights Act lessens the ability of liberals to associate him with hateful extremists. Yet for those who fear the CRA could lead to intrusive actions of the federal government over state and private affairs, beyond racial segregation, Goldwater is clearly preferable to LBJ.  But the mood of the country overall is for activist government at home and liberal internationalism abroad, with gratitude to LBJ for leading the country after the devastating assassination of Kennedy.

Lyndon Johnson / Hubert Humphrey  57%  485
Barry Goldwater / William Miller        42%    46
Unpledged                                        1%      7

[UnselfconsciousTeff]

LBJ/HHH - 327 EV's
Goldwater/Byrnes 172 EV's
George Wallace/Some Generic Dixiecrat senator/governor 39 EV's

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He does better in the South because of supporting the CRA?

Now I find that hard to believe... and your map in general is kinda absurd, because even if LBJ had been facing a moderate Republican in '64, he still would have won in a landslide.

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This is the worst thread I've seen in a while.

[darklordoftech]

I don't see how Goldwater would have any chance in the South against an actual Southerner without the civil rights issue.

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As of kingpo's map, I see no reason why Rarick, who was just a random political activist in Louisiana at the time, would be on the top of a Dixiecrat-like ticket. There was plenty of more prominent figures who'd definitively consider running under such scenario.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Johnson/Humphrey (D)  385 EV
Goldwater/Miller (R)  94 EV
Wallace/Thurmond  (Dixicrat)  59 EV

Wallace and Thurmond would have ran as the Democratic nominee in most of the states they would win, but would have won VA with a minority of votes as an independent.  FL would have split it's Democratic vote and the GOP would have won a 3 way race.

The big difference would have been the GOP carrying the Great Plains and Mountain West states.  That's the big gain the GOP would have made.

[adamevans]

This is the worst thread I've seen in a while.

[bagelman]

I call troll. You can't be this stupid.

[morgankingsley]

Johnson/Humphrey (D)  385 EV
Goldwater/Miller (R)  94 EV
Wallace/Thurmond  (Dixicrat)  59 EV

Wallace and Thurmond would have ran as the Democratic nominee in most of the states they would win, but would have won VA with a minority of votes as an independent.  FL would have split it's Democratic vote and the GOP would have won a 3 way race.

The big difference would have been the GOP carrying the Great Plains and Mountain West states.  That's the big gain the GOP would have made.

This is my closest one and even then I'm not fully on board

[Amadeus]

Wallace probably goes third party, and takes some states in the Deep South. The closest Goldwater would come to winning any Southern states would be Virginia or Florida. In either case, he'd better hope that Wallace takes more votes from LBJ than the GOP.

Goldwater would probably do well in the West, and maybe he'd take Vermont and NH. But LBJ could still attack Goldwater's conservative positions on issues outside of civil rights. So 1964 is still a landslide for Johnson, but not as much as OTL.

[morgankingsley]

Overall, Goldwater might actually do worse electorally

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President Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) / Senator Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) ✓
Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) / Congressman William Miller (R-PA)
Fmr. Governor Ross Barnett (SR-MS) / Fmr. Lt. Governor Garland Byrd (SR-GA)