GA-07: Rep. Rob Woodall will not seek reelection
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« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2019, 05:19:11 PM »

Is there any example from 2018 where a Republican stepping down made it easier to hold the seat with a replacement nominee? Let’s rule out the heavily scandalous which Woodall was not.

Young Kim probably came closer than Royce would have  and Crenshaw definetely did better than the incumbent would have done.

Crenshaw won by 7.2% in a district Trump won by 9.3%,  I really doubt he improved much over what the previous incumbent would've done.
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« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2019, 05:46:53 PM »

He probably knew what was likely to happen if he had run. Lean D for now, probably the best pick-up opportunity for Democrats, if it wasn't already.
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« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2019, 06:09:10 PM »

I ain't espousing new points. But aside from corruption issues (Not sure how Woodall fared there), this looks strikingly similar to CA-49's swift march to Atlas Red.
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« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2019, 08:25:07 PM »

He probably knew what was likely to happen if he had run. Lean D for now, probably the best pick-up opportunity for Democrats, if it wasn't already.

Yeah, I’d put the Democrats’ top offensive targets list order as something like:
1. GA-07
2. TX-23
3. PA-01
4. NE-02
5. TX-31
6. TX-24
7. NY-24
8. IL-13
9. WA-03
10. MO-02

Good list. I'd rank them as follows:
1. GA-07
2. TX-23
3. PA-01
4. NE-02
5. TX-24
6. IL-13
7. OH-01
8. TX-22
9. PA-10
10. TX-10
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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2019, 08:49:04 PM »

Part of Forsyth County is going to have a Democratic Representative. Holy sh!t.

Hell, not just part: like 75% of the county's population, lol.

The map drawers in 2011 were idiots more concerned about bastions of primary rivals than partisan security.

Could you elaborate?
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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2019, 09:03:24 PM »

Solid D. No, I'm not joking. This district has shifted incredibly rapidly to the Democratic party, and the demographic trends driving it are unlikely to slow down anytime soon. Woodall was barely able to scrape out a win in a midterm. Even in an R-leaning environment, Democrats would still be favored here.
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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2019, 09:10:19 PM »

Thanks Rob! You'll help make up for Cunningham, Horn, Rose, and others inevitably losing in 2020.
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« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2019, 10:01:03 PM »
« Edited: February 07, 2019, 10:10:12 PM by Fmr. Pres. Griff »

I'd like to think I'm usually a fairly realistic person when it comes to the performance of the GOP in the South, and what chances both they and Democrats have in various places.

With that being said, I see no viable, realistic path for the GOP to hold onto this seat. Gwinnett is one of those places where even somebody like me can turn their head for a few months and already be out of touch with how much demographic shift and growth has occurred in a broader area. It's changing faster than SoCal. It's changing faster than NoVA. I'm not sure there's even a place anywhere in the country that is comparable to it in this regard (maybe another area within the broader metro).

Democrats won't need it to be a good year for them to win. Hell, the GOP could probably win the House PV and this district would still have a decent chance of flipping. Besides the huge rate of demographic turnover and growth, this is also ground zero in GA for Latino and Asian voters (who, while turning out in big numbers in 2018 like everybody else, still lagged the electorate as a whole - their turnout will be higher in 2020, with or without Abrams).

Just because I consider you a fairly neutral and informed observer of Georgia politics, I'll ask: how would you rate Woodall's 2018 campaign operation?  A lot of GA Republicans didn't think he put forth much effort and I think that's a major reason why Woodall is retiring.



As for GA-07, yes it's an increasingly diverse district but let's not conflate Gwinnett County trends with GA-07 trends.  The most Democratic parts of Gwinnett  aren't even in GA-07, and Buford and Sugar Hill are still rabid pro-Trump exurbia that will be turning out for him big time in 2020.

His campaign was s[inks]t - but people place too much value in campaign quality, in my opinion. This is one thing that both sides do equally (i.e. beat themselves up over campaigns), but especially in an area that is ground zero for national R-to-D shifts, I really doubt it made much of a difference. Most voters weren't following the election intently until after Woodall started trying anyway. If anything and in the ATL metro, losing an incumbent just cost the GOP far more votes in this race than Woodall's bad campaign or maybe even Donald Trump (at least between 2018-2020). Expect this to follow a GA-6 like trajectory now where it lurches at least a few points to the Democrats relative to 2018; even with an incumbent to help stop the bleeding, that happened in GA-7 last year (in my view, though, Woodall's name being the one on the ballot held back some of that).

I wasn't kidding about turning your head for a short time and being completely out of the loop with Gwinnett's transformation. Just look at the 2014/16/18 precinct map: Gwinnett has like 140 precincts or so; nearly 20 flipped between 2016 and 2018 alone (but look at the shade shifts even in the GOP precincts in Sugar Hill, Buford, Dacula, etc).



I loaded up DRA just to see what the 2016 block groups showed: two-thirds of the county's residents lived in majority-minority areas (green) then - and I guarantee you that many block groups' white majorities have already fallen since; wouldn't surprise me if less than a quarter of the county's population is in white-majority block groups. Even in the areas you mentioned, rapid transformations are under way (if anything and at this point, it might even be more dramatic there in terms of YtY shifts):

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« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2019, 10:04:08 PM »

He probably knew what was likely to happen if he had run. Lean D for now, probably the best pick-up opportunity for Democrats, if it wasn't already.

Yeah, I’d put the Democrats’ top offensive targets list order as something like:
1. GA-07
2. TX-23
3. PA-01
4. NE-02
5. TX-31
6. TX-24
7. NY-24
8. IL-13
9. WA-03
10. MO-02
NY-24 is trending R. Even Molinaro won this district. WA-03 is gone, Maria Cantwell won by almost exactly the same margin as 2012 and yet Cowlitz, Wahkiakum, Skamania and Klickitat all flipped from D to R. IL-13 could flip in a wave year but it shouldn't be on our top 10. I'd replace them with the TX trio of TX-10, TX-21, TX-22
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« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2019, 10:08:41 PM »

Sure, this will flip if you believe that 2018-2020 is going to follow the same pattern as 2006-2008.  But, if it's a more neutral environment, somewhat like 2010-2012 with the parties flipped, it will stay Republican.  I don't think we will be in store for another D+8 election.
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« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2019, 10:12:45 PM »
« Edited: February 07, 2019, 10:18:01 PM by Fmr. Pres. Griff »

Sure, this will flip if you believe that 2018-2020 is going to follow the same pattern as 2006-2008.  But, if it's a more neutral environment, somewhat like 2010-2012 with the parties flipped, it will stay Republican.  I don't think we will be in store for another D+8 election.

The only way this starts out as anything more favorable to the GOP than Lean D is if there is a complete reversal of the 2016-18 trends among suburbanites and minority turnout manages to be even more anemic than 2016. The demographic turnover and white suburban hemorrhaging is just too intense to be countered and this is ground zero in terms of areas where incumbency has a huge impact on shoring up GOP vote share among the latter group.

By and large, the GOP has only held up in Gwinnett this long because of sky-high turnout from suburban college-educated whites and the fact that a disproportionate share of the likely Democratic voting bloc is contained within low-propensity minority voting groups (Latinos & Asians) and/or non-citizens.
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« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2019, 10:23:10 PM »

Part of Forsyth County is going to have a Democratic Representative. Holy sh!t.

Hell, not just part: like 75% of the county's population, lol.
Wasn’t Forsyth one of the counties with the biggest swing between 2012 and 16?

It swung hard D in 2016 for sure.

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« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2019, 12:18:32 AM »

This could be bad for Republicans. Atlanta burbs are moving in the same direction that they did in NoVA a little while ago, and fast.
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« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2019, 03:01:41 AM »

Both the GOP and Dem side will get 4 way or more (serious) primaries so that's going to be fun. Honestly Woodall would have been easier to beat than a good Republican but I'm not sure a good Republican can win the primary or wants to run for a tough seat to win (and then defend/hold)
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« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2019, 03:07:43 AM »

Bordeaux is a strong candidate. I hope she runs again.
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« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2019, 07:31:52 AM »

It's really interesting that in Forsyth, it looks to be Democrats adding to the mix as the county grows and Republican numbers still go up, while in Gwinnett, you have an absolute decline in Republican numbers because the county is built out.
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« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2019, 07:35:08 AM »

Although maybe Gwinnett isn't built out since it added another 120,000 since 2010.
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« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2019, 09:03:53 AM »

Although maybe Gwinnett isn't built out since it added another 120,000 since 2010.

The further out (from Atlanta) parts of Gwinnett still have lots of places with room to grow.
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« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2019, 09:55:30 AM »

Although maybe Gwinnett isn't built out since it added another 120,000 since 2010.

The further out (from Atlanta) parts of Gwinnett still have lots of places with room to grow.

Yeah, Gwinnett should be able to easily accommodate another 300k people without any substantial upzoning. The Atlanta Regional Commission expects 1.35m to live in Gwinnett by 2040, and will be the largest county in the state by then.

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« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2019, 09:58:12 AM »

Bordeaux is a strong candidate. I hope she runs again.

She is but she's not a strong candidate at all, she's a lucky candidate (which is half the battle but still).
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« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2019, 09:07:40 PM »

this is GOOD for GOP chances. It is laughable to imply otherwise. The GOP are the people who were pressuring him to retire.

For context on how somebody could put this into writing and actually believe it, YC thought that Comstock was going to win reelection in 2018.
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« Reply #71 on: February 09, 2019, 02:45:31 PM »

Yeah, this seat is probably gone. Woodall should have stood his ground.
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