*Official Election 2005 Results Thread*

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Jon Corzine    Dem    471    79.97%   
Doug Forrester    Rep    118    20.03% 

Well, landlside Corzine.  Time for bed.

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Precincts Reporting: 1348 of 2426 (55.56%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,969   Total Voting: 1,073,496   Voter Turnout: 24.11 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  T M Kaine     Democratic    549,457    51.18%
  J W Kilgore     Republican    499,922    46.57%
  H R Potts Jr     Independent    23,157    2.16%
  Write Ins          960    

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Something strong for Kilgore came in.

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Office: Governor
Precincts Reporting: 1805 of 2426 (74.40%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,835   Total Voting: 1,419,678   Voter Turnout: 31.89 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  T M Kaine     Democratic    718,541    50.61%
  J W Kilgore     Republican    669,100    47.13%
  H R Potts Jr     Independent    30,887    2.18%
  Write Ins          1,150    0.08%
     
Vote Totals:
   1,419,678    

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Drduge is calling VA for Kaine.

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Drduge is calling VA for Kaine.

Before only the AP had called it. I'm glad that someone reliable called it now.

Drudge likely called it based on the AP.  He rarely does things on his own.

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Jon Corzine    Dem    268,980    51.97%   
Doug Forrester    Rep    232,052    44.84%

GO FORRESTER!

   Jon Corzine   Dem    363,172   53.56%    
   Doug Forrester   Rep   295,456      43.57%

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Drudge now with a call on NJ for Corzine.

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yeah no one really cares about Detroit election

With VA wrapping up and early calls on NJ, interest in the lower card matches should pick up.

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with the Detroit election so close we may not know the result tonight

like I said earlier but no one cared,  the FBI is after the city clerk she is banned from counting the absentee ballots

I had no idea Mrs. Logan lived in Detroit. 

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I suppose no hope for RON? Issue 2 is the closest, it's only going down 37.6%-62.4% right now.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/Results/RaceSummary.aspx

What were each of them again?

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There are still afew holdouts with hope for Kilgore.  Some of them are doing some number crunching.  Unless everything left is heavily Republican, I have a hard tome seeing how this result changes.

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I can't wait for the conservatives to spin this one.

Well, a traditionally deomcrat state at the state level went for a democrat and a close state at the state level went democrat when their candidate proved a strong finisher and the republican had an ad backfire.

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I can't wait for the conservatives to spin this one.

Democrats keep Democratic Gubernatorial offices. Spin or fact? 

You know what i mean.
Corzine didn't win by so and so percentage.......

If he wins by less than five points than he won't be happy. Remember that he had this locked up? Remember how it would be a landslide?

Remember what a wise man said about NJ voters breaking late and hard? 

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Spin it baby, spin it.

Spin NYC. 

NJ is not a big deal, machine politics stay in place.

VA could be big if Kaine can move the state leftward in presidential elections.  Or if they sweep all the top 3 offices.  Retaining a gubenatorial swing state is good for the dems, though.

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Precincts Reporting: 2204 of 2426 (90.85%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,722,869   Voter Turnout: 38.70 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  R F McDonnell     Republican    864,912    50.20%
  R C Deeds     Democratic    856,502    49.71%
  Write Ins          1,455    0.08%

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Um, could someone point me to results for these races. I don't feel like paging through what looks like a 28 page bitchfest.

Office: Governor
Precincts Reporting: 2284 of 2426 (94.15%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,827,425   Voter Turnout: 41.05 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  T M Kaine     Democratic    942,020    51.55%
  J W Kilgore     Republican    843,897    46.18%
  H R Potts Jr     Independent    39,921    2.18%
  Write Ins          1,587    0.09%
 View Results by  District   Locality    Total:    1,827,425   

Office: Lieutenant Governor
Precincts Reporting: 2225 of 2426 (91.71%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,739,569   Voter Turnout: 39.08 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  W T Bolling     Republican    884,422    50.84%
  L L Byrne     Democratic    851,844    48.97%
  Write Ins          3,303    0.19%
 View Results by  District   Locality    Total:    1,739,569   

Office: Attorney General
Precincts Reporting: 2206 of 2426 (90.93%)
Registered Voters: 4,451,724   Total Voting: 1,725,260   Voter Turnout: 38.75 %
 Candidates     Party    Vote Totals    Percentage
  R F McDonnell     Republican    866,261    50.21%
  R C Deeds     Democratic    857,544    49.71%
  Write Ins          1,455    0.08%
 View Results by  District   Locality    Total:    1,725,260   

VA

NEW YORK MAYOR
(As of 9:48 p.m.)
623 of 6,063 (10 %) reporting.
Candidate    Votes
Michael R. Bloomberg (R)    70,361
(57%)
Fernando Ferrer (D)    49,532
(40%)
NEW JERSEY GOVERNOR
(As of 9:51 p.m.)
3,680 of 6,310 (58 %) reporting.
Candidate    Votes
Jon D. Corzine (D)    657,887
(54%)
Douglas R. Forrester (R)    521,655
(43%)

NYTimes

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I think Jake has been adequately brought up to speed.

Oh, the Ohio Reform props all look to be going down.

Detroit Mayor
Candidate   Votes   Percent   Winner
Freman Hendrix    24,277   59%   
Kwame Kilpatrick    16,514   40%   
Precincts Reporting - 99 out of 720 - 13%

And Detroit mayor is underway too.

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I think Jake has been adequately brought up to speed.

Oh, the Ohio Reform props all look to be going down.

Detroit Mayor
Candidate   Votes   Percent   Winner
Freman Hendrix    24,277   59%   
Kwame Kilpatrick    16,514   40%   
Precincts Reporting - 99 out of 720 - 13%

And Detroit mayor is underway too.

Serious question: Have Detroit's ghettoes been counted yet, or are those results from townships that are shared between the city and the county?

In New Orleans, the project vote was always, conveniently, last to be counted.

I have no freaking clue.

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Well, a lot could still go either way.  I am hoping 74 stays down, but LA has just barely started counting, and for some reason the supposedly liberal LA times endorsed the darn thing. 

75 will probably be a nail biter til midnight or so, then gradually slip out of range.

Prop 74 should be going down. Prop 73 could concievably come back from behind, and obviously Prop 75 is the most likely to pass. LA Times said No to 73, but Yes to Prop 75. If Prop 75 passes, you can blame one of the most liberal media organizations in the country. Goes to show you how far right the media is.

Newspapers will tend to be anti-union, even if they are normally very left/liberal.  The teamsters union has screwed with them too many times for papers to actually support them anymore.

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You can't evalate a teacher in the first two years.  Experts say it takes 4 years to evaluate a teacher's performance adequately, which means that incompetent teachers would not get tenured in the first place.

Its interesting that you defend the status quo against Arnold's school funding reforms by complaining that schools here don't get enough money.  Illogical, but interesting.

What experts are those?  Can you cite a reputable source - a professional study done by an impartial university researcher, something from the US department of education, even some half-witted right wing think tank?

Most folks who aren't cut out to teach remove themselves within the first two years.  And the burnouts have far more than five years experience, and many of them are burnt out not from the kids, but from ideologues who prefer to see the budget only in terms of short term gain rather than long term results (it takes years, even decades, for the impact of quailty eduction - or lack thereof - to be felt in the economy.), and short-shrift the schools because the results won't be seen until far after the next election.

Teachers are underpaid given the requirements they have to fufill, given lip service by the same politicans who ream them over and over again; then people wonder why we have a critical shortage of teachers in key areas.   And the teachers end up getting the blame for low test scores even though a lack of people in the profession makes it difficult to have enough teachers to meet the students needs.

And tenure is not a lifetime appointment like a seat on the supreme court.  It only guarenetees that a teacher who has achieved it gets a hearing to show that the firing was 'for cause', rather than for endorsing a candidate for the school board on their own time that the principal dislikes, or blowing the whistle on waste in the administration.

I agree with AL.  You need to stop drinking.

And teachers aren't underpaid, they only work 9 months out of the year for goodness sake.

If teachers are underpaid varies by state.  Having looked into the matter, and compared state salaries to cost of living, many states do slightly underpay new teachers.  Some (notably Florida) are good for new teachers, but horrid for experienced teachers.

The screaming you hear from my union member colleagues is, in part, because those wonderful unions take a good chunk in dues and have done jack to improve teacher pay in many years.  This makes teh money crunch in some areas worse.

Keep in mind that while the school year is only 10 months and you get an additional month off in holidays and vacation time, many teachers work more than 8 hours per day for that time.

Of course, teachers can supplement their income over the summer, which can help a lot with the money.  They can also get an advanced degree or get National Board certified, which also brings in more money.

Finally, the time it takes to properly evaluate a teacher is actually three years, not 4, John.  Some say 4, but three is becomign a more widely held position.  Articles supporting such can be found in any decent teaching professional journal.  I an look some up next week, if anyone wants.