13 same-sex couples sue Japan for marriage equality

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

As a member of the LGBT community I wish them the best, though I think pushing for something like domestic partnerships or civil unions (which are not equal and not a substitute for marriage equality, btw) would be a more sound step towards progress.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

They're not going to win. Japan is still a socially conservative country and will not fall for the political movements that are taking place in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Japan

Is that why most polls show support for marriage equality in Japan? Homophobia as it exists in the west is also very rare in Japan, by the way.

As much as it pains you, I’m sure, gay people are here, we’re here to stay, and we exist all around the world.

In every nation and on every continent.

 

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

They're not going to win. Japan is still a socially conservative country and will not fall for the political movements that are taking place in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Japan

Is that why most polls show support for marriage equality in Japan? Homophobia as it exists in the west is also very rare in Japan, by the way.

As much as it pains you, I’m sure, gay people are here, we’re here to stay, and we exist all around the world.

In every nation and on every continent.

 

LGBT tolerance in Asia doesn't actually equate to support for same-sex marriage. SSM polled well in Taiwan, which is generally known for being the most LGBT-friendly country in Asia. No poll found same-sex marriage underwater in Taiwan - conservative polls found 54-44, liberals found 71-29%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Taiwan#Public_opinion

Same-sex marriage still went down in flames in a referendum, 27.5-73.5.

Same-sex marriage hasn't been implemented in any non-Western society, and I suspect that western/white liberals are going to make this a civilizational issue ("you must adopt our superior Western culture in gay marriage!"), which would have a devastating impact on local LGBT people.

Oh I fully recognize that Asia is very different from the west on this subject. On the one hand, homophobia isn’t very prevalent or spoken about much, and I think many would frown on it. On the other hand, I think it’s simply an uncomfortable subject for most Asian countries.

As always, the young people will lead the way in the years to come — and in 10-20 years, I’m confident we’ll see LGBT rights expanding across Asia, just as it already slowly is.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

They're not going to win. Japan is still a socially conservative country and will not fall for the political movements that are taking place in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Japan

Is that why most polls show support for marriage equality in Japan? Homophobia as it exists in the west is also very rare in Japan, by the way.

As much as it pains you, I’m sure, gay people are here, we’re here to stay, and we exist all around the world.

In every nation and on every continent.

 

LGBT tolerance in Asia doesn't actually equate to support for same-sex marriage. SSM polled well in Taiwan, which is generally known for being the most LGBT-friendly country in Asia. No poll found same-sex marriage underwater in Taiwan - conservative polls found 54-44, liberals found 71-29%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Taiwan#Public_opinion

Same-sex marriage still went down in flames in a referendum, 27.5-73.5.

Same-sex marriage hasn't been implemented in any non-Western society, and I suspect that western/white liberals are going to make this a civilizational issue ("you must adopt our superior Western culture in gay marriage!"), which would have a devastating impact on local LGBT people.

Oh I fully recognize that Asia is very different from the west on this subject. On the one hand, homophobia isn’t very prevalent or spoken about much, and I think many would frown on it. On the other hand, I think it’s simply an uncomfortable subject for most Asian countries.

As always, the young people will lead the way in the years to come — and in 10-20 years, I’m confident we’ll see LGBT rights expanding across Asia, just as it already slowly is.

You might think so, but in Japan at the very least, the youth are actually significantly more conservative than their parents. It is incredibly dangerous for people to just happily assume they're "on the right side of history" and just have to virtue-signal until the walls all come down around them.

And outside of Asia, the vast amount of population growth is taking place in either very conservative Christian areas (often in Africa) or very Islamic areas - which is part of why most historically secular Muslim democracies are becoming much less secular (like Turkey or Indonesia).

I would not place my bets on global LGBT rights being better in 2050.

I watch a lot of documentaries / interview with Japanese people on YouTube. I can’t say I agree with your assessment. Most young Japanese people I’ve seen seem very cosmopolitan / forward thinking.

https://youtu.be/fxQYu4MOFCY

But to be clear, I am mostly talking about East Asia.  I do agree that North Africa / Middle East, etc is a different case.

Hell those countries can barley agree to let women drive / vote or not put LGBT people to death, sooo.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

They're not going to win. Japan is still a socially conservative country and will not fall for the political movements that are taking place in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Japan

Is that why most polls show support for marriage equality in Japan? Homophobia as it exists in the west is also very rare in Japan, by the way.

As much as it pains you, I’m sure, gay people are here, we’re here to stay, and we exist all around the world.

In every nation and on every continent.

 

LGBT tolerance in Asia doesn't actually equate to support for same-sex marriage. SSM polled well in Taiwan, which is generally known for being the most LGBT-friendly country in Asia. No poll found same-sex marriage underwater in Taiwan - conservative polls found 54-44, liberals found 71-29%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Taiwan#Public_opinion

Same-sex marriage still went down in flames in a referendum, 27.5-73.5.

Same-sex marriage hasn't been implemented in any non-Western society, and I suspect that western/white liberals are going to make this a civilizational issue ("you must adopt our superior Western culture in gay marriage!"), which would have a devastating impact on local LGBT people.

Oh I fully recognize that Asia is very different from the west on this subject. On the one hand, homophobia isn’t very prevalent or spoken about much, and I think many would frown on it. On the other hand, I think it’s simply an uncomfortable subject for most Asian countries.

As always, the young people will lead the way in the years to come — and in 10-20 years, I’m confident we’ll see LGBT rights expanding across Asia, just as it already slowly is.

You might think so, but in Japan at the very least, the youth are actually significantly more conservative than their parents. It is incredibly dangerous for people to just happily assume they're "on the right side of history" and just have to virtue-signal until the walls all come down around them.

And outside of Asia, the vast amount of population growth is taking place in either very conservative Christian areas (often in Africa) or very Islamic areas - which is part of why most historically secular Muslim democracies are becoming much less secular (like Turkey or Indonesia).

I would not place my bets on global LGBT rights being better in 2050.

I watch a lot of documentaries / interview with Japanese people on YouTube. I can’t say I agree with your assessment. Most young Japanese people I’ve seen seem very cosmopolitan / forward thinking.

https://youtu.be/fxQYu4MOFCY

But to be clear, I am mostly talking about East Asia.  I do agree that North Africa / Middle East, etc is a different case.

Hell those countries can barley agree to let women drive / vote or not put LGBT people to death, sooo.

I lived in Japan for years and have several friends involved in Japanese party politics. Young Japanese people on Youtube are not a representative subset of young Japanese people. Objectively speaking, conservative parties do significantly better among young voters, and "far-right" parties/movements are even more youth-skewed. The political parties in Japan that support SSM (CDP and JCP) have a very very old, mostly pensioner voting base and only add up to maybe 25% of the country.

It would be very ill-advised for Japanese to try to gauge young American popular opinion by wandering either the halls of Oberlin or Liberty University.

All interesting (if somewhat sobering) points, I’ll need to do more research.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

They're not going to win. Japan is still a socially conservative country and will not fall for the political movements that are taking place in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Japan

Is that why most polls show support for marriage equality in Japan? Homophobia as it exists in the west is also very rare in Japan, by the way.

As much as it pains you, I’m sure, gay people are here, we’re here to stay, and we exist all around the world.

In every nation and on every continent.

 

That's not going to happen. It's very hard to tell what the political makeup of future generations will be. Gen Z appears to be socially progressive but who knows that the future holds. In a few generations from now, views of the LGBT movement may be far different than what they are today. It's a matter of teaching the future generations that the current generation is immoral and wrong.

Conservatives have never won a major social fight, so good luck with that.

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice".