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« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2019, 01:52:39 am »


You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Are you trolling here?  Amazon is aggressively anti-union and treats its workers like dirt.

This deal would have been $3 billion for Amazon to do to New York what Foxconn did to Wisconsin.  Google managed to come into NYC last December without controversy.

I'm not necessarily defending Amazon policies but the far-left hostile to any form of business, no matter if the owners are friendly to labor.
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« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2019, 01:55:44 am »

Presumably the jobs that would have came to NYC mimic most Amazon jobs available up and down their employment ladder: pay well below the industry average, s[inks]tty working conditions and a veritable stranglehold on the local community due to the political and economic power it wields. For most communities - especially considering the amount of free taxpayer money that is diverted as a result - this wouldn't be a good deal in the long-term (let alone for a world-class city like NYC that has no trouble attracting both business and talent).

Sooner or later, people are going to have to realize that when it comes to economic planning, attracting employers who offer bad working conditions, low pay and partial employment (as just a few examples) is often a worse deal than getting nothing at all, with the goal inevitably being a discussion about the reality of labor in the 21st century (namely, that there aren't nor ever will be again enough sustainable jobs that pay a living wage; the entire notion of "work" as we know it must die to pave the way for a new future).
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« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2019, 02:54:08 am »

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Spoken like a true identity politics liberal
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« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2019, 06:14:05 am »


You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Are you trolling here?  Amazon is aggressively anti-union and treats its workers like dirt.

This deal would have been $3 billion for Amazon to do to New York what Foxconn did to Wisconsin.  Google managed to come into NYC last December without controversy.

I'm not necessarily defending Amazon policies but the far-left hostile to any form of business, no matter if the owners are friendly to labor.

Okay, now you're just flat-out denying you said anything.

Amazon treats its workers poorly and is anti-union. Any shred of credibility you had went out the window when you said that Amazon was treating its workers well.
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« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2019, 09:10:16 am »

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Speaking of big businesses treating workers well, Amazon is not one of them. They are actually one of the crappier tech companies to work at in terms of general treatment of employees:

www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html

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At Amazon, workers are encouraged to tear apart one another’s ideas in meetings, toil long and late (emails arrive past midnight, followed by text messages asking why they were not answered), and held to standards that the company boasts are “unreasonably high.” The internal phone directory instructs colleagues on how to send secret feedback to one another’s bosses. Employees say it is frequently used to sabotage others. (The tool offers sample texts, including this: “I felt concerned about his inflexibility and openly complaining about minor tasks.”)

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Some veterans interviewed said they were protected from pressures by nurturing bosses or worked in relatively slow divisions. But many others said the culture stoked their willingness to erode work-life boundaries, castigate themselves for shortcomings (being “vocally self-critical” is included in the description of the leadership principles) and try to impress a company that can often feel like an insatiable taskmaster. Even many Amazonians who have worked on Wall Street and at start-ups say the workloads at the new South Lake Union campus can be extreme: marathon conference calls on Easter Sunday and Thanksgiving, criticism from bosses for spotty Internet access on vacation, and hours spent working at home most nights or weekends.

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Amazon employees are held accountable for a staggering array of metrics, a process that unfolds in what can be anxiety-provoking sessions called business reviews, held weekly or monthly among various teams. A day or two before the meetings, employees receive printouts, sometimes up to 50 or 60 pages long, several workers said. At the reviews, employees are cold-called and pop-quizzed on any one of those thousands of numbers.

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Each year, the internal competition culminates at an extended semi-open tournament called an Organization Level Review, where managers debate subordinates’ rankings, assigning and reassigning names to boxes in a matrix projected on the wall. In recent years, other large companies, including Microsoft, General Electric and Accenture Consulting, have dropped the practice — often called stack ranking, or “rank and yank” — in part because it can force managers to get rid of valuable talent just to meet quotas.

The review meeting starts with a discussion of the lower-level employees, whose performance is debated in front of higher-level managers. As the hours pass, successive rounds of managers leave the room, knowing that those who remain will determine their fates.

Preparing is like getting ready for a court case, many supervisors say: To avoid losing good members of their teams — which could spell doom — they must come armed with paper trails to defend the wrongfully accused and incriminate members of competing groups. Or they adopt a strategy of choosing sacrificial lambs to protect more essential players. “You learn how to diplomatically throw people under the bus,” said a marketer who spent six years in the retail division. “It’s a horrible feeling.”

And let's not forget the Amazon warehouses where instead of installing air conditioning, they just had ambulances parked outside to take people away when they passed out from heatstroke.

People like Bezos ramble about their Hard Work Ethos but in reality what they are aiming for is a near-robotic slave workforce that can be thrown away the second they fall behind or whenever someone even marginally better is found. A country full of Amazon's is the stuff dystopian fiction novels are made of.
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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2019, 10:11:40 am »

See, this issue is going to be incredibly divisive in the primary, as many potential primary voters are uneasy with the anti-business rhetoric that is coming from the emerging leftist wing. Amazon has a poor history of treating workers right and used loopholes to their advantage, that I will not argue with what's been perceived. What is troubling is once big business skepticism starts to cool down the left will be blaming small business who make up the financial backbone of every major city and small town in this very nation. Read Kara Calavera thread on how the activists sabatoge the will of elected officials and voters by ignoring their thoughts on the headquarters.


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« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2019, 12:17:08 pm »

See, this issue is going to be incredibly divisive in the primary, as many potential primary voters are uneasy with the anti-business rhetoric that is coming from the emerging leftist wing. Amazon has a poor history of treating workers right and used loopholes to their advantage, that I will not argue with what's been perceived. What is troubling is once big business skepticism starts to cool down the left will be blaming small business who make up the financial backbone of every major city and small town in this very nation. Read Kara Calavera thread on how the activists sabatoge the will of elected officials and voters by ignoring their thoughts on the headquarters.






For more coverage on the divide in the party read this article that articulates the chaos in New York


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« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2019, 03:04:18 pm »

Shameful that con artists like Bernie pushed Amazon that would've brought jobs back to the region.






You will find any way you can to blame absolutely everything on Sanders, won't you. Hell, I'm marginally impressed you haven't blamed him for global warming.

Also, there seems to be some element of racism by saying that only white gentrifiers support Sanders  . . . when that's false.

Not my fault, the far left crowd has been demonizing business for years. None of the brocialists care to learn the nuances about small business or the occasional big business that treats labor well, no they're all haters of the working person. The left has a sheep mentality with anything that could balance a fair deal between labor and business, many just might as well go ahead and call for abolishment of the banks. If these white leftists read about the positive economic developments these business to POC communities they would hopefully be converted to understanding economics.

In the primary Bernie was backed by the Hipsters who have ruined over formaily minority-dominated areas by transferring them into white upper class paradises. No room for the working black person.

Cool story bro!
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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2019, 03:54:44 pm »

Amazon will pay $0 in taxes on $11,200,000,000 in profit for 2018


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-taxes-zero-180337770.html


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« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2019, 04:07:29 pm »

     As someone who has to deal with Big Tech making the Bay Area unaffordable, I can see why New Yorkers are breathing a sigh of relief right about now.
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« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2019, 04:42:45 pm »

The gall of the billionaire class is directly proportional by the grovelling cowardice of its sycophants, and Monroe's posts perfectly illustrate that. As long as there will be people who are devoted to licking Bezos' boots, of course he will keep acting like he's owed billions and billions in free public money for his great munificence.

Luckily, the people of New York are waking up, and others will surely follow suit.
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« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2019, 04:50:38 pm »

Amazon will pay $0 in taxes on $11,200,000,000 in profit for 2018

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/amazon-taxes-zero-180337770.html

As that article points out, some of the reason for zero U.S. taxes this year is probably the increased accelerated depreciation under the TCJA and that'll be a temporary effect. Even without the TCJA, the way our tax code is structured, growing companies will pay less tax because the stuff they acquire to enable their growth will provide additional depreciation expenses. As a general rule, MACRS overstates depreciation.
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« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2019, 05:18:30 pm »

See, this issue is going to be incredibly divisive in the primary, as many potential primary voters are uneasy with the anti-business rhetoric that is coming from the emerging leftist wing. Amazon has a poor history of treating workers right and used loopholes to their advantage, that I will not argue with what's been perceived. What is troubling is once big business skepticism starts to cool down the left will be blaming small business who make up the financial backbone of every major city and small town in this very nation. Read Kara Calavera thread on how the activists sabatoge the will of elected officials and voters by ignoring their thoughts on the headquarters.




You just hate everything that Sanders supporters like. If a company pays no taxes, hates unions and treats workers poorly, then what incentive do you have to like them?

I think you're suffering from Sanders Derangement Sydrome.
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« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2019, 06:12:37 pm »

Good for NYC.  Amazon treats its workers horribly and New Yorkers will be better off without rent being driven up even higher.
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« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2019, 07:23:07 pm »

https://www.theonion.com/wait-mr-bezos-you-forgot-your-tax-subsidy-says-an-1832633757

^ Basically Monroe in this thread
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« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2019, 07:24:10 pm »

No same person wants an Amazon in their community. How do I know? They are rapidly destroying mine and I live over an hour outside Seattle.
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« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2019, 11:25:17 pm »

No same person wants an Amazon in their community. How do I know? They are rapidly destroying mine and I live over an hour outside Seattle.

So once you kick all those evil corporations out where are people going to work? I mean im sure that a growing economy causes disruption and adjustment to the local area but would you rather be in some rural county in West Virginia with no new companies coming in?
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« Reply #67 on: February 17, 2019, 11:31:27 pm »

No same person wants an Amazon in their community. How do I know? They are rapidly destroying mine and I live over an hour outside Seattle.

So once you kick all those evil corporations out where are people going to work? I mean im sure that a growing economy causes disruption and adjustment to the local area but would you rather be in some rural county in West Virginia with no new companies coming in?

Not all corporations are evil.  For that matter if Amazon hadn't tried for such extreme tax breaks, I think they'd have been welcomed in NYC.
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« Reply #68 on: February 17, 2019, 11:36:17 pm »

No same person wants an Amazon in their community. How do I know? They are rapidly destroying mine and I live over an hour outside Seattle.

So once you kick all those evil corporations out where are people going to work? I mean im sure that a growing economy causes disruption and adjustment to the local area but would you rather be in some rural county in West Virginia with no new companies coming in?

Not all corporations are evil.  For that matter if Amazon hadn't tried for such extreme tax breaks, I think they'd have been welcomed in NYC.

Maybe. All New Yorkers I remember speaking to on the issue (I lived there when the transfer was announced) complained about it almost exclusively on the basis of increased traffic congestion and rising housing costs.
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« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2019, 12:57:11 am »

So once you kick all those evil corporations out where are people going to work?

ayy lmao
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« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2019, 01:57:51 am »

I remember when to "disrupt" something was understood to mean breaking it or deviating it from a natural or desirable course. I'm not sure when exactly people started using it in a mindlessly positive sense instead of a mindlessly negative one but I sort of wish I hadn't noticed it, on account of cultural hegemony.
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