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« on: February 15, 2019, 03:28:45 pm »

Why does Donald Trump always get his way? From the executive order emergency on the wall, firing James Comey, etc.

What can future politicians, businessmen, presidents and others learn from Trump's playbook?

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2019, 03:38:08 pm »

 The only reason Trump has got his way is because of Republican political power. Ryan and McConnell could have housebroken Trump 2 years ago. They wanted corporate tax cuts and conservative judges instead. With Democrats and Pelosi taking The House we're already starting to see checks on Trump 's worst behaviors and policies and it will continue. The investigations haven't even started yet.
 
 
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2019, 04:08:39 pm »

Because the party that has more power in this country is more than happy to bend over backwards for him.
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2019, 04:22:00 pm »

Presidents always get away with their crimes
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2019, 04:43:50 pm »

Because all Republican officials care about is getting more money to rich people.
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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2019, 05:14:38 pm »

He hasn't. He didn't even win the popular vote.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2019, 10:16:05 pm »

The only reason Trump has got his way is because of Republican political power. Ryan and McConnell could have housebroken Trump 2 years ago. They wanted corporate tax cuts and conservative judges instead. With Democrats and Pelosi taking The House we're already starting to see checks on Trump 's worst behaviors and policies and it will continue. The investigations haven't even started yet.

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And I cant wait for The House investigations to kick-into-gear.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 02:06:30 am »

  Well, if his signature issue was immigration restriction, the wall etc, I would argue he hasn't gotten his way.  Look at overall immigration numbers pre Trump and now.  Not a big difference, a little on the margins with refugee intake but big picture is the globalization of the US continues.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2019, 02:46:54 am »

Because Republicans are suffering from Stockholm's syndrome. They only care about themselves and their donors and they know that if they dare cross the Dear Leader, all he has to do is send out a tweet and they'll be primaried by even more deplorable Deplorable.
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2019, 10:02:53 am »

Because all Republican officials care about is getting more money to rich people.
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2019, 11:06:20 am »

McConnell, with direction from Elaine Chao, his wife, working in Oval Office, and as Leader of Senate, works for the benefit of Trump
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2019, 12:32:15 pm »

Because he's a lot more right on a wide variety of issues than his opposition, in the eyes of millions of Americans, and because he has significant public support for his positions on those issues.  And because he's willing to advance his policy objectives now, however controversial, rather than wait for a second term that may not come.

The question is "Why does Trump always get his way?".  Whatever you think about Trump, this, IMO, is the formula.
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2019, 12:37:57 pm »

Because, as already said, the Republicans have too much power in congress and the courts. The latter is partly a rigged game, because the Supreme Court would have a moderate/liberal majority of got the appointment of Merrick Garland, which was stolen from him. And the Republicans in power are afraid him and the right-wing base. If congressional leaders wanted, they could have overruled him in several instances. McTurtle will go down in history as one of the worst leaders, because of his unwillingness to stand up to this bully.

The only way out of this is a permanent defeat in elections by the far-right (and success of more moderate Republicans). As long as this strategy works, the Republicans have zero reason to change.
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2019, 12:48:20 pm »

Because he has a full blown cult behind him that will excuse everything he does.
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2019, 01:15:58 pm »

Because he's a lot more right on a wide variety of issues than his opposition, in the eyes of millions of Americans, and because he has significant public support for his positions on those issues.  And because he's willing to advance his policy objectives now, however controversial, rather than wait for a second term that may not come.

The question is "Why does Trump always get his way?".  Whatever you think about Trump, this, IMO, is the formula.

Law, including the Constitution, determines what is legally right.

Because he has a full blown cult behind him that will excuse everything he does.

Fuzzy Bear demonstrates such.
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2019, 02:56:02 pm »

I don't think he does.
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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2019, 04:00:25 pm »

I mean look at the coal plants he's stopped from shutting down--none.

But his base is pretty stupid, so whatever.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2019, 06:05:54 pm »

I don't think he does.

Yeah what exactly has he got his way on?
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2019, 06:11:22 pm »

Because Republicans are suffering from Stockholm's syndrome. They only care about themselves and their donors and they know that if they dare cross the Dear Leader, all he has to do is send out a tweet and they'll be primaried by even more deplorable Deplorable.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2019, 07:16:00 pm »

Because Trump has lived a life free of consequences and can't accept that he may finally have to face some. This is exacerbated by a Republican Party that enables him to the point of never having to face those very same consequences that he should.
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2019, 10:23:30 am »

Having to resort to the emergency declaration about the wall is proof that he doesn't always get his way.
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2019, 10:46:54 am »

He doesn't. If he did, Obamacare would have been repealed, the RAISE act would have been passed, and he wouldn't have had to resort to a national emergency to get his wall (which might still not happen). Also, the Comey thing and withdrawing from the Paris Accord badly damaged him, and required him to spend huge amounts of time and political capital that could have been spent on other legislative priorities.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2019, 11:32:35 am »

Because Trump has lived a life free of consequences and can't accept that he may finally have to face some. This is exacerbated by a Republican Party that enables him to the point of never having to face those very same consequences that he should.

That is the point. He has gotten away with things that few of us could imagine getting away with. He inherited his original wealth, so he has never had day-to-day responsibility for profit and loss as does a small businessman. Like many in America's social elite during the Vietnam War he avoided military duty on grounds that the son of a prole family would have never gotten. Don't get me wrong: it is probably best that Trump never got anywhere near a military base. He would have been a horrible junior officer, an arrogant prick with no acumen.

As a businessman, the only things that he has done well is either to have the luck to own rental properties in a city in which people have high incomes and few alternatives to living. Trump has done well at schlock TV, probably because a schlock mind has the right mindset for delivering schlock entertainment. His other ventures have generally failed because he cannot work within the confines of a competitive market. He thinks his name special. Somehow "Rockefeller" impresses me more, but maybe that is because the Rockefeller family is judicious in putting its names on things. 

He has walked into female dressing rooms with women or girls present -- which would get someone non-noble such as I arrested. Grabbing women by their "kitty-cats"? If some thuggish fellow had done that to one of my daughters (I have none), I would insist that she press charges to the DA for sexual assault, if not attempted rape. That is penetration, which is enough in some jurisdictions to constitute rape. (That or I would get her into some behavioral-modification program so that she can develop better taste in men!)

He offered the Republican party exactly what it wanted -- an appeal to people whose vulgarity, meanness, and ignorance could fall for him. His demagoguery was safe because everyone knew that he would quickly revert his politics to the service of his well-known class interests. If he might offend some sensibilities with his vulgarity and meanness, at least he would give the Republican Party the Presidency while it holds onto the House and Senate and gets to reshape  the Supreme Court. The Republican Party was already as reactionary as it could be without going fully fascist.

Donald Trump holds without qualification the core belief of the 'highest' classes -- the elite of ownership and the bureaucratic elites of giant enterprises: that no human suffering can ever be in excess so long as that suffering enhances, indulges, or enforces the unlimited rapaciousness of those elites. Should the common people show dissent, then do not compromise -- simply intensify the suffering. When intensification of the suffering becomes the solution instead of backing down a little, one has full-blown fascism.

Trump has contempt of legal formalities, which should scare the Hell out of any genuine conservative. Legal formalities do not matter when most people are rendered powerless.     

He is a bad businessman and an even worse politician. So far as I can tell this man lacks the empathy necessary for making fair deals that are the essence of successful capitalism -- good deals for all concerned that get people coming back for more.   
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2019, 11:35:33 am »

I dunno. Did he get his way on repealing Obamacare? The much mooted infrastructure bill?
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2019, 03:15:26 pm »

Because he's successful at defining the terms of the debate and putting Democrats into an entirely reactionary position.  That way, even when he doesn't get 100% of what he's asking for, it still looks and feels like a win.
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