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« on: February 18, 2019, 10:20:06 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2019, 10:22:28 AM »

America, the land of the free.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2019, 10:28:23 AM »

 This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 10:34:38 AM »

Jingoism is a scourge.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2019, 10:43:07 AM »

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.



What the hell are you talking about? This story contains no details. All it says is that the kid insulted the US and after a couple back and forth the teacher called in the dean, after which the student was physically disruptive. How you go from that to leaping to the conclusion the teacher is in the wrong I have no idea.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2019, 10:45:37 AM »

I was going to giddily post this but was afraid that it wasn't making the rounds in mainstream news!

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.

This was a substitute teacher for the record, but that doesn't explain away a lot of our nation's educational shortcomings.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2019, 11:14:56 AM »

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.



What the hell are you talking about? This story contains no details. All it says is that the kid insulted the US and after a couple back and forth the teacher called in the dean, after which the student was physically disruptive. How you go from that to leaping to the conclusion the teacher is in the wrong I have no idea.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2019, 11:58:03 AM »

Let us remember that there is one religious body, the Jehovah's Witnesses, that treats any reverence to any national symbol (including the Flag) as an act of idolatry. Are Jehovah's Witnesses evil  for that?

In view of Donald Trump and many other political figures debasing the meaning of America, we need recognize that symbols and reality are very different things. 
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2019, 12:09:00 PM »

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.



What the hell are you talking about? This story contains no details. All it says is that the kid insulted the US and after a couple back and forth the teacher called in the dean, after which the student was physically disruptive. How you go from that to leaping to the conclusion the teacher is in the wrong I have no idea.

The Washington Post story goes in to more detail.  The teacher tried to force the kid to recite the pledge of allegiance and, after that, back and forth started.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 12:09:31 PM »

Yet another example of right wing political correctness.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2019, 12:14:10 PM »

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.



What the hell are you talking about? This story contains no details. All it says is that the kid insulted the US and after a couple back and forth the teacher called in the dean, after which the student was physically disruptive. How you go from that to leaping to the conclusion the teacher is in the wrong I have no idea.
Beet is quite correct.

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This is what the arrest was about. Whether or not this account by the school is accurate is undetermined at this time but this is not about refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Can we all save our outrage for actual issues like Trump acting like Victor Orban?
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2019, 12:22:55 PM »

Yet another example of right wing political correctness.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2019, 12:23:58 PM »

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.



What the hell are you talking about? This story contains no details. All it says is that the kid insulted the US and after a couple back and forth the teacher called in the dean, after which the student was physically disruptive. How you go from that to leaping to the conclusion the teacher is in the wrong I have no idea.
Beet is quite correct.

From the story itself:
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AHEM. Maybe certain people could read the story before leaving snarky one-liners? Roll Eyes

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This is what the arrest was about. Whether or not this account by the school is accurate is undetermined at this time but this is not about refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Can we all save our outrage for actual issues like Trump acting like Victor Orban?

His refusal to stand for the pledge of allegiance is the underlying issue.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2019, 12:25:50 PM »

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.



What the hell are you talking about? This story contains no details. All it says is that the kid insulted the US and after a couple back and forth the teacher called in the dean, after which the student was physically disruptive. How you go from that to leaping to the conclusion the teacher is in the wrong I have no idea.
Beet is quite correct.

From the story itself:
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This is what the arrest was about. Whether or not this account by the school is accurate is undetermined at this time but this is not about refusing to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Can we all save our outrage for actual issues like Trump acting like Victor Orban?

The entire matter was instigated by The Substitute Teacher Not Having Eight basic knowledge of American History or rights. They shouldn't have to know that the school has a particular policy about not being forced to stand for the pledge. Being a college-educated teacher should be enough for that if you want is remotely confident for their job. Yes sounded like the so-called back and forth got pretty turbulent, but reading between the lines when given the choice between blaming the instigation on a 6th grade kid versus a so-called adult trying to force the kid that say the Pledge against his beliefs and belittling him for it, guess which one I blame hands down every time?

You can bet dollars to Donuts that the school is trying to spin this as a disruptive kid because they damn well know that that idiot substitute teacher put them in litigation hot water.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2019, 12:40:10 PM »

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.



What the hell are you talking about? This story contains no details. All it says is that the kid insulted the US and after a couple back and forth the teacher called in the dean, after which the student was physically disruptive. How you go from that to leaping to the conclusion the teacher is in the wrong I have no idea.

The Washington Post story goes in to more detail.  The teacher tried to force the kid to recite the pledge of allegiance and, after that, back and forth started.

 Yes I read a story with more details.

 The child was sitting in his seat. How is sitting disruptive?

 The teacher told the kid something to the effect of "if you don't love the USA leave". This is patronizing, silly, and possibly racist. The teacher also discounted the students experience and reasoning and uttered some nonsense about her experience with Cuba. Which might be valid to her but has nothing to do with what the student was saying.

 This is basic stuff that is settled law. Students can not be forced to pledge at school or games in public institutions. They also can not be disciplined for refusing to do so. This has been ruled to violate their constitutional rights. This is only a story because the teacher made it one. I would call up the ACLU, if I was this kid's parents. If they ACLU hasn't already called them.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2019, 12:42:50 PM »

This teacher doesn't even know basic U.S. History. How is she qualified to teach at the 6th grade level? Also if the student was sitting how was he being disruptive? It sounds like she tried to force him to do something that is unconstitutional then got upset that a 6th grader is smarter than she is.



What the hell are you talking about? This story contains no details. All it says is that the kid insulted the US and after a couple back and forth the teacher called in the dean, after which the student was physically disruptive. How you go from that to leaping to the conclusion the teacher is in the wrong I have no idea.

The Washington Post story goes in to more detail.  The teacher tried to force the kid to recite the pledge of allegiance and, after that, back and forth started.

 Yes I read a story with more details.

 The child was sitting in his seat. How is sitting disruptive?

 The teacher told the kid something to the effect of "if you don't love the USA leave". This is patronizing, silly, and possibly racist. The teacher also discounted the students experience and reasoning and uttered some nonsense about her experience with Cuba. Which might be valid to her but has nothing to do with what the student was saying.

 This is basic stuff that is settled law. Students can not be forced to pledge at school or games in public institutions. They also can not be disciplined for refusing to do so. This has been ruled to violate their constitutional rights. This is only a story because the teacher made it one. I would call up the ACLU, if I was this kid's parents. If they ACLU hasn't already called them.

As I said, right wing political correctness.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 12:45:20 PM »

There were JWs when I was in school that never stood for the pledge and were always absent when we had Holiday parties.  Interestingly, I think JWs are allowed tomcelebrate anniversaries. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2019, 12:50:49 PM »

The irony is that the very liberty spoken of in the pledge is what allows students to refuse it to begin with.
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2019, 12:53:19 PM »

His refusal to stand for the pledge of allegiance is the underlying issue.
The story made clear that students don't have to do that and that the substitute teacher was in the wrong on that issue.

The entire matter was instigated by The Substitute Teacher Not Having Eight basic knowledge of American History or rights. They shouldn't have to know that the school has a particular policy about not being forced to stand for the pledge. Being a college-educated teacher should be enough for that if you want is remotely confident for their job. Yes sounded like the so-called back and forth got pretty turbulent, but reading between the lines when given the choice between blaming the instigation on a 6th grade kid versus a so-called adult trying to force the kid that say the Pledge against his beliefs and belittling him for it, guess which one I blame hands down every time?

You can bet dollars to Donuts that the school is trying to spin this as a disruptive kid because they damn well know that that idiot substitute teacher put them in litigation hot water.
It is absolutely a problem instigated by the substitute teacher. That was made clear by the school saying that teacher would not be returning.

The school might very well be spinning that way, but as I pointed out the accuracy of what the school is saying is undetermined.

Perhaps certain people could stop jumping to conclusions before all the information is out there?
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2019, 12:54:08 PM »

The irony is that the very liberty spoken of in the pledge is what allows students to refuse it to begin with.

The very liberty spoken of in the U.S Constitution is what allowed would be authoritarian dictator Donald Trump to run for President and is what allows people to enable him.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2019, 12:55:29 PM »

The irony is that the very liberty spoken of in the pledge is what allows students to refuse it to begin with.

The very liberty spoken of in the U.S Constitution is what allowed would be authoritarian dictator Donald Trump to run for President and is what allows people to enable him.

So attack liberty to oppose a would-be authoritarian dictator? Great logic there.
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2019, 12:57:07 PM »

The irony is that the very liberty spoken of in the pledge is what allows students to refuse it to begin with.

The very liberty spoken of in the U.S Constitution is what allowed would be authoritarian dictator Donald Trump to run for President and is what allows people to enable him.

So attack liberty to oppose a would-be authoritarian dictator? Great logic there.

No more or less so than what you wrote.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2019, 02:24:00 PM »

This is two to three steps away from being incarcerated for treason for not standing erect and firmly saluting Supreme Leader Putin as his car drives by.
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2019, 05:32:22 PM »

Conservatives: "OUR TROOPS DIED DEFENDING YOUR RIGHT NOT TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE!"

Also Conservatives: "YOU HAVE NO RIGHT NOT TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE!"
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2019, 05:34:45 PM »

His refusal to stand for the pledge of allegiance is the underlying issue.
The story made clear that students don't have to do that and that the substitute teacher was in the wrong on that issue.

The entire matter was instigated by The Substitute Teacher Not Having Eight basic knowledge of American History or rights. They shouldn't have to know that the school has a particular policy about not being forced to stand for the pledge. Being a college-educated teacher should be enough for that if you want is remotely confident for their job. Yes sounded like the so-called back and forth got pretty turbulent, but reading between the lines when given the choice between blaming the instigation on a 6th grade kid versus a so-called adult trying to force the kid that say the Pledge against his beliefs and belittling him for it, guess which one I blame hands down every time?

You can bet dollars to Donuts that the school is trying to spin this as a disruptive kid because they damn well know that that idiot substitute teacher put them in litigation hot water.
It is absolutely a problem instigated by the substitute teacher. That was made clear by the school saying that teacher would not be returning.

The school might very well be spinning that way, but as I pointed out the accuracy of what the school is saying is undetermined.

Perhaps certain people could stop jumping to conclusions before all the information is out there?

Fair enough, and I agree. My response was actually precipitated by it sounded like you started to make up your own mind at the kid was primarily at fault rather than the school. Wink
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