"Religion of Peace" strikes again. (Jordan)

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The purpose of the Nazis - and Hitler - was to destroy the socialists and subjugate the workers, thereby protecting the owning class and the Church.

That is absolute and utter b*ll*cks and if you actually believe that you're either an ignorant fool or an intellectually disgraceful hack of the very worst degree.
Go back to school

Why do you think he was supported by not only the owning class of Germany, but by the British Aristocracy and the wealthy in the United States?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Why do you think he was supported by not only the owning class of Germany, but by the British Aristocracy and the wealthy in the United States?

Um... what has that got to do with anything?
The NSDAP's core vote in Germany was largely (but not entirely) based around white collar workers (and farmers IIRC) who had suffered very badly from the Depression (losing savings and so on) and wanted both an easy solution to their problems and some group of people to lash out out. They were able to attract some support from certain industrialists for a range of reasons (that they were anti-communist mainly) and far from big business using the Nazis to further their own ends, the reverse happend.

The rise of the Nazis didn't have anything to do with you're self-praising pseudo-marxist bulls*t "analysis" of just about everything under the sun, but then again you know that anyway and are just trolling.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

One thing that is indisputable is that Mussolini was an atheist. So that can serve as a rebuttal.

Proving once again, left wing Christians have the best track record. We're almost spotless. We really do have a "religion of peace", something almost no one else can claim.

[opebo]

Why do you think he was supported by not only the owning class of Germany, but by the British Aristocracy and the wealthy in the United States?

Um... what has that got to do with anything?
The NSDAP's core vote in Germany was largely (but not entirely) based around white collar workers (and farmers IIRC) who had suffered very badly from the Depression (losing savings and so on) and wanted both an easy solution to their problems and some group of people to lash out out.

Of course - the owners can never be a very significant voting block, as they are never more than a few percent of any society.  The trick of these rightwing parties like the Nazis and the GOP is to get the ignorant, disgruntled workers you described above to vote against their interests.

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One thing that is indisputable is that Mussolini was an atheist. So that can serve as a rebuttal.

Proving once again, left wing Christians have the best track record. We're almost spotless. We really do have a "religion of peace", something almost no one else can claim.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

One thing that is indisputable is that Mussolini was an atheist. So that can serve as a rebuttal.

Proving once again, left wing Christians have the best track record. We're almost spotless. We really do have a "religion of peace", something almost no one else can claim.

Well he claims to be a Marxist, or has in the past at least so he's not Christian. However even with that, it's still a stretch to call him leftist, as his primary targets have been homosexuals, trade unionists, and farmers of other tribes, much more like fascism. Not to mention the main opposition to him is a group led by trade unionists and one of its most promiment members is a Catholic bishop who leads a multi-denominational coalition of churches opposed to Mugabe. And another one of his biggest critics has been Desmond Tutu.

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One thing that is indisputable is that Mussolini was an atheist. So that can serve as a rebuttal.

Proving once again, left wing Christians have the best track record. We're almost spotless. We really do have a "religion of peace", something almost no one else can claim.

Well he claims to be a Marxist, or has in the past at least so he's not Christian. However even with that, it's still a stretch to call him leftist, as his primary targets have been homosexuals, trade unionists, and farmers of other tribes, much more like fascism. Not to mention the main opposition to him is a group led by trade unionists and one of its most promiment members is a Catholic bishop who leads a multi-denominational coalition of churches opposed to Mugabe. And another one of his biggest critics has been Desmond Tutu.

No, that dictator is a practicing Catholic, and his policy of land expropriation is quite in line with (Leninist) Marxism.

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I didn't say he was an atheist.
But IMO it's hard to dispute that he was essentially non-religious; up until the point he decided that he was some kind of "superman" (essentially a secular belief) he was basically a standard-issue lapsed-Catholic with little or any religious beliefs or interest in religion.
The great horrors of the the 20th century were caused by men with no faith in God, and who filled the resulting vacuum with a combination of inflexible secular ideology and narcissism.

Lots of people don't strictly follow the teachings of Christ. But just because you don't think they're doing a good job, doesn't mean that they are non-religious. Hitler was a religious, just like most of the population at the time.

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http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/unknown/hitler.html

You're sounding a lot like this guy:

George HW Bush:

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http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file004.html

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One thing that is indisputable is that Mussolini was an atheist. So that can serve as a rebuttal.

Proving once again, left wing Christians have the best track record. We're almost spotless. We really do have a "religion of peace", something almost no one else can claim.

Well obviously he was a very bad person, but at least he didn't kill 20 million people.

Lincoln was an agnostic, BTW.

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Lots of people don't strictly follow the teachings of Christ. But just because you don't think they're doing a good job, doesn't mean that they are non-religious.

You what? Based on a lot of reading a while ago (and not a three minute internet search) I'm fairly sure that, before he went totally mad and decided that he was a "superman", that he was not religious and was not even remotely interested in religion. I did not say that he was an atheist; he doesn't seem to have had any religious beliefs.
Why is that so hard to accept?

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First off, please don't rape the English language.
Secondly, Hitler was, at most, a nominal or lapsed Catholic. He could not have been described as religious in any meaningful sense at all. Please note (as you seem to be having trouble understanding this) that I do not think that he was an atheist.

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The Nazis hated Christianity (they considered it a "Jew religion") and wanted to abolish it and replace it with some sort of pagan church. They were all into Norse mythology and all that, which makes sense, considering that stuff and all types of paganism is really the indigenous religion of Europe and Christianity was something that got imported to it by Jews.

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Lots of people don't strictly follow the teachings of Christ. But just because you don't think they're doing a good job, doesn't mean that they are non-religious.

You what? Based on a lot of reading a while ago (and not a three minute internet search) I'm fairly sure that, before he went totally mad and decided that he was a "superman", that he was not religious and was not even remotely interested in religion. I did not say that he was an atheist; he doesn't seem to have had any religious beliefs.
Why is that so hard to accept?

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First off, please don't rape the English language.
Secondly, Hitler was, at most, a nominal or lapsed Catholic. He could not have been described as religious in any meaningful sense at all. Please note (as you seem to be having trouble understanding this) that I do not think that he was an atheist.

The point is Hitler proudly called himself a Christian. There are lots of people  who call themselves Christians who don't follow Christ's teachings, but that's not reason to say that they're not a Christian.

I doubt Arnold Schwarzenegger is the best example of a Catholic, either, but that doesn't mean that he's not a Catholic.

The Nazis hated Christianity (they considered it a "Jew religion") and wanted to abolish it and replace it with some sort of pagan church. They were all into Norse mythology and all that, which makes sense, considering that stuff and all types of paganism is really the indigenous religion of Europe and Christianity was something that got imported to it by Jews.

Most Nazis were Christians.

[J. J.]

The point is Hitler proudly called himself a Christian. There are lots of people  who call themselves Christians who don't follow Christ's teachings, but that's not reason to say that they're not a Christian.

I doubt Arnold Schwarzenegger is the best example of a Catholic, either, but that doesn't mean that he's not a Catholic.

The Nazis hated Christianity (they considered it a "Jew religion") and wanted to abolish it and replace it with some sort of pagan church. They were all into Norse mythology and all that, which makes sense, considering that stuff and all types of paganism is really the indigenous religion of Europe and Christianity was something that got imported to it by Jews.

Most Nazis were Christians.

You call yourself a Democrat and most of the posters here, both thereal Democrats and the Republicans, would question your claim.  Actually, while some Nazis were nominally Christian, most were not, as noted by the fact that Hitler was married in a civil ceremony.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

jfern is a Democrat. I am proud to say that, and would never question that.

As for Hitler:

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity  the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. "

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus'  doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, f****ts? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea."

[J. J.]

jfern is a Democrat. I am proud to say that, and would never question that.

And if that were true, there would be no Democratic Party.