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« on: February 23, 2019, 08:52:53 am »

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2019, 05:44:42 pm »
« Edited: February 23, 2019, 05:48:15 pm by Frodo »

FF ruling.  

Seriously though, you cannot regard women's breasts as 'sexual organs' the way you would a penis or a vagina, unless you apply the same standard to men's breasts. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2019, 05:21:54 pm »

oh excellent.


SC will probably come up with some BS reasoning to uphold it, but still keeping my fingers crossed on this one.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2019, 05:56:42 pm »

FF ruling.  

Seriously though, you cannot regard women's breasts as 'sexual organs' the way you would a penis or a vagina, unless you apply the same standard to men's breasts. 
well, one is an object of attraction by the other sex and one isn't.
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2019, 06:07:49 pm »

FF ruling.  

Seriously though, you cannot regard women's breasts as 'sexual organs' the way you would a penis or a vagina, unless you apply the same standard to men's breasts. 
well, one is an object of attraction by the other sex and one isn't.

Uh, men's naked upper bodies aren't objects of attraction for those attracted to men? What?
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2019, 09:01:29 pm »

FF ruling.  

Seriously though, you cannot regard women's breasts as 'sexual organs' the way you would a penis or a vagina, unless you apply the same standard to men's breasts. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2019, 09:16:14 pm »

FF ruling.  

Seriously though, you cannot regard women's breasts as 'sexual organs' the way you would a penis or a vagina, unless you apply the same standard to men's breasts. 
well, one is an object of attraction by the other sex and one isn't.

Uh, men's naked upper bodies aren't objects of attraction for those attracted to men? What?
It isn't even close to the standing that a woman's breasts have in terms of how attractive she is considered to be. Abs are more commonly used to rate how attractive someone is in a male, from both males and females.
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2019, 10:32:36 pm »

I see I have to explain myself:

Up until the 1930s, men's bare chests (in public spaces) were seen by polite society as being as obscene as women's bare chests are today.  Men were arrested and/or cited for not abiding by societal norms.  I am sure many of you have seen old-time photos of men wearing these rather strange bathing suits that cover much of their chest, like so:





It took protests and civil disobedience to finally change the law on it, and eventually society followed suit.  

I see no reason why the same should not also apply to women wishing to partake of the freedoms that men currently enjoy.  
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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2019, 07:44:12 am »

Nipple parity!
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2019, 12:14:28 pm »

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The city had argued that the ordinance was justified because of the sexual nature of the female breast and because of concerns that bared breasts could lead to distracted driving and harm to children.
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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2019, 12:52:46 pm »

Yeah brah people should totally just chill, like to be honest I don't get people who have such a sexual attraction to women's nipples. I get being attracted to your SO's breasts but like just seeing a woman topless in a nonsexual situation? I don't get how that's sexual or whatever.

It's like, just really a self control thing.

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The city had argued that the ordinance was justified because of the sexual nature of the female breast and because of concerns that bared breasts could lead to distracted driving and harm to children.

To be fair all those pale fat old guys who walk around shirtless are pretty distracting too when they are out and about, but more because they're hilarious/gross lmao
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2019, 10:18:58 am »

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The city had argued that the ordinance was justified because of the sexual nature of the female breast and because of concerns that bared breasts could lead to distracted driving and harm to children.
I hope they're just suggesting that the distracted drivers might harm children and not that bare female adult human breasts might, because that would be silly.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2019, 03:13:12 pm »

I don't think that the handful of people who would take advantage of this would make any real substantial shift in society.

Seriously, how many women nationwide (not counting people who are nursing) are just counting the days down until they can walk around outside topless?

It strikes me as the sort of thing SCOTUS will give a thumbs up to and people will initially freak out and then people will notice that this basically almost never happens.

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2019, 03:43:56 pm »

I thought most people agreed there already were 4 or 5 boobies on the Supremes depending on what their politics be.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2019, 05:24:13 pm »

I'd prefer if they extended the restriction to men as well. Put on a shirt damn it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2019, 08:55:50 pm »

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I hope they're just suggesting that the distracted drivers might harm children and not that bare female adult human breasts might, because that would be silly.

I really doubt that's what they meant. The concern that viewing a female breast could get a driver distracted is legitimate, but saying female breasts are harmful to children, while it's a societal norm, but I've never heard scientific support for that being harmful to children.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2019, 11:07:35 pm »

I'd prefer if they extended the restriction to men as well. Put on a shirt damn it.

Doing that would still be allowed even if the female-only ban was struck down.
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2019, 08:39:58 am »

What constitutes a "female" breast? What if someone who is female doesn't identify as female or someone who looks and is gendered as female has a sex of male? Its really complicated. I am sure that this Republican court will probably apply Bowers vs. Hardwick to EP cases and not just to privacy cases. They can say. "Hey. The appealee is technically right but these kind of laws are so grandfathered in and people have always just lived with them, so they are OK. If the apeallee doesn't like, they can vote in the city elections and run on "freeing the nipple".

Its a dumb law and the law should be struck down on principle but I would be comfortable if they came back and said that such laws are OK but this one in particular has to be rewritten but even then, no one is arguing that such a law is overly broad or vague though that is one argument I would have at least tried though I imagine 99% of the time it would be like "FFS, you know what it means! And that's that!"
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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2019, 09:03:46 pm »

I'd prefer if they extended the restriction to men as well. Put on a shirt damn it.
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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2019, 10:46:01 pm »

I don't think that the handful of people who would take advantage of this would make any real substantial shift in society.

Seriously, how many women nationwide (not counting people who are nursing) are just counting the days down until they can walk around outside topless?

It strikes me as the sort of thing SCOTUS will give a thumbs up to and people will initially freak out and then people will notice that this basically almost never happens.

At worst it becomes like the old naked people clique from SF's Castro District and drives the government into banning everyone from being shirtless Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2019, 11:04:43 pm »

I know women who'd probably go topless now and then if they were allowed to but not any who'd make a habit of it.

This does seem pretty patently discriminatory and, as others have said, if the government wants to keep banning toplessness after a SCOTUS ruling to that effect then they can always just ban it for everybody.
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