Leaked Papers expose African Union dissatisfaction with EU migrant plans

[PSOL]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/24/african-union-seeks-to-kill-eu-plan-to-process-migrants-in-africa

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Good that the AU is stepping up in protecting nations’ sovereignty. The possible plan has proven time and time again, such as in Australia’s Nauru concentration camp, to be inneffective in doing anything.

[DavidB.]

The EU and all its member states need to withdraw all development aid to Africa if they aren't willing to stop making their problems our problems. Let's see how long it takes before they revise their position.

[Zaybay]

The EU and all its member states need to withdraw all development aid to Africa if they aren't willing to stop making their problems our problems. Let's see how long it takes before they revise their position.

Thats just a recipe for Chinese dominance on the continent.

[PSOL]

The EU and all its member states need to withdraw all development aid to Africa if they aren't willing to stop making their problems our problems. Let's see how long it takes before they revise their position.

The EU needs to realize that since decolonization, African nations have been holding refugees for decades; allowing them to live, work, and integrate in the millions without entitled whining. Building concentration camps without insight from the AU is a stupid venture to take? Wanna change that, well don’t give them this awful deal and then throw a Trump tantrum when things don’t work your way. It’s already destined for failure as the Nauru camps were.

[DavidB.]

It's really simple: they shouldn't make their problems and failed states our problem. We don't want mass immigration from Africa and are willing to pay up to prevent it, which we shouldn't have to do in the first place but which we do anyway.

It sounds like a win-win, but if they want to be "principled" (they probably just want rebates from migrants in Europe to flow into their economies) they should be ready to experience the consequences too. Even EU trade embargos would be justified in that case imo. Let's see how quickly they change their position.

Thats just a recipe for Chinese dominance on the continent.

I don't care. Unabated mass immigration to Europe would have endlessly worse consequences.

[Former President tack50]

Eh, I'd agree with removing development aid, tying up development aid with migrant control. However as others have said, it would pretty much ensure Chinese dominance over Africa and tbh it's not like the inmigration is easy to stop. So it's probably a double edged sword at best and a shot in the foot at worst.

As long as Europe is a better place to live in than say, Nigeria; inmigration will happen no matter what. Since absolutely thrashing the economy so that staying in Africa is a more appealing option would be unpopular, inmigration will happen.

It might be reduced, integration can work better, etc; but it's a reality we must face. We must fight illegal uncontrolled inmigration, but we must also make legal inmigration easier.

Also, I think the Nauru camps were a success? (for Australia at least). I'm pretty sure they worked perfectly to reduce inmigration.

I've sometimes thought that asylum seekers should be thrown into jail right when they enter the country. If they are legitimate asylees, let them in and take them out of prison. If not, charge them with illegal entry and throw them back home.

[PSOL]

It's really simple: they shouldn't make their problems and failed states our problem. We don't want mass immigration from Africa and are willing to pay up to prevent it, which we shouldn't have to do in the first place but which we do anyway.

It sounds like a win-win, but if they want to be "principled" (they probably just want rebates from migrants in Europe to flow into their economies) they should be ready to experience the consequences too. Even EU trade embargos would be justified in that case imo. Let's see how quickly they change their position.

Thats just a recipe for Chinese dominance on the continent.

I don't care. Unabated mass immigration to Europe means losing European dominance on our own continent.

Your putting up embargoes on sovereign nations when they disagree with you now? Well ****, that’s poetic considering how this migrant crisis arrived was through corrupt former colonial officials stashing their wealth overseas while European investors provided support to neutralize anyone who disagreed, a process that con.

Look, the AU bigwigs thought that the current deal is trash, so considering they have the upper hand in negotiating, meet with them in the middle. That is basic deal making, unless you want the chaos of no-deal Brexit and Trumpmania to tear the continent apart the same way in WWII. If providing more rebates is what the AU wants in truth, then you have the choice of the status quo or a modified solution that eases current stresses.

Why I even gave this much effort into explaining the situation to the mentally trumpiscint, one that provides no care of the grander scheme of things with that last answer, is beyond my comprehension.

[DavidB.]

Your putting up embargoes on sovereign nations when they disagree with you now?

Putting embargoes on countries that endanger our national security and sovereignty by failing to prevent their people from flooding our countries seems wholly appropriate. African mass immigration is actually much more of a threat to the EU than Russia.

[PSOL]

Your putting up embargoes on sovereign nations when they disagree with you now?

Putting embargoes on countries that endanger our national security and sovereignty by failing to prevent their people from flooding our countries seems wholly appropriate. African mass immigration is actually much more of a threat to the EU than Russia.

It’s like talking to a platitudes spouter 1000. There’s no purpose in this debate if one thinks that the AU deliberately scares children to go exist in Europe.

[DavidB.]

Your putting up embargoes on sovereign nations when they disagree with you now?

Putting embargoes on countries that endanger our national security and sovereignty by failing to prevent their people from flooding our countries seems wholly appropriate. African mass immigration is actually much more of a threat to the EU than Russia.

It’s like talking to a platitudes spouter 1000. There’s no purpose in this debate if one thinks that the AU deliberately scares children to go exist in Europe.

No one says that. The AU doesn't need to scare them into moving to Europe; the state in which these countries find themselves in combination with success stories from relatives who managed to move to Paradise Europe and successfully mooch off our welfare systems already do that.

[dead0man]

Your putting up embargoes on sovereign nations when they disagree with you now?

Putting embargoes on countries that endanger our national security and sovereignty by failing to prevent their people from flooding our countries seems wholly appropriate. African mass immigration is actually much more of a threat to the EU than Russia.

It’s like talking to a platitudes spouter 1000. There’s no purpose in this debate if one thinks that the AU deliberately scares children to go exist in Europe.

where the hell did you read that?

[dead0man]

Putting embargoes on countries that endanger our national security and sovereignty by failing to prevent their people from flooding our countries

I agree with you in general, but how are countries supposed to control where their people flood to?

[DavidB.]

Putting embargoes on countries that endanger our national security and sovereignty by failing to prevent their people from flooding our countries

I agree with you in general, but how are countries supposed to control where their people flood to?

Once they go to Europe it's too late, but most travel through other countries first and African countries should cooperate to prevent them from crossing to coastal countries in order to move to Europe. A difficult task and I'm sure the EU is willing to chip in in all sorts of ways to help them in doing so.

At the very least, these countries should absolutely accept to host EU-run closed-off facilities for migrants who don't have a valid reason to be in Europe and who need to be repatriated.

[Beezer]

Good that the AU is stepping up in protecting nations’ sovereignty. The possible plan has proven time and time again, such as in Australia’s Nauru concentration camp, to be inneffective in doing anything.

How many illegal migrants have made it to Australia in recent years?

[Devout Centrist]

How, exactly, does eliminating development aid help the situation?

[PSOL]

Good that the AU is stepping up in protecting nations’ sovereignty. The possible plan has proven time and time again, such as in Australia’s Nauru concentration camp, to be inneffective in doing anything.

How many illegal migrants have made it to Australia in recent years?

Apparently not enough for the current government to support its operation.