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« on: February 25, 2019, 09:49:33 pm »



Pulwama attack: Pakistan warns India against military action



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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 10:02:30 pm »

The US should recognize Kashmir as part of India, and tell Pakistan to back off.


US-India-Israel should form an alliance together to fight the threat of Radical Islam in the middle east




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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 10:11:20 pm »

This can't be good.
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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 10:17:36 pm »

India is perfectly justified here .


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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2019, 12:26:19 am »

My cousin in law is a PAF F-16 fighter pilot, hopefully it does not escalate to a full on fight (highly doubt it will), I don't want him in harm's way.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2019, 04:09:57 am »

Inshallah Pakistan zaroor jeetega.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2019, 04:33:22 am »

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2019, 06:47:58 am »

The habit of the international media to just ignore things in Kashmir - even when they are very serious like the other week - is a pretty serious dereliction of duty. But now they've noticed.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2019, 08:50:56 am »

I believe this is the first time aircraft has been involved in these border clashes. That by itself puts this incident on a different scale, but I am still skeptical that it will result in anything further that is more intense than the usual cross-border fighting.

The US should recognize Kashmir as part of India, and tell Pakistan to back off.


US-India-Israel should form an alliance together to fight the threat of Radical Islam in the middle east


India only cares about fighting Islamists if they have anything to do with Pakistan or attacks on India. India has been for a while mute and passive in being involved in our or their own misadventures in the Middle East, preferring neutrality for continued energy supplies.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2019, 08:58:01 am »



This is absolutely correct.
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2019, 02:04:43 am »

Pakistan claims it has shot down two Indian jets violating its airspace/dropping bombs and has captured one pilot. India claims it has shot down a pakistani jet. Big escalation.
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2019, 05:35:59 am »

Pakistan claims it has shot down two Indian jets violating its airspace/dropping bombs and has captured one pilot. India claims it has shot down a pakistani jet. Big escalation.

Confirmed: Pakistan shot down Indian MiG-21bis, pilot in custody
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2019, 08:38:41 am »

Glad that the pakistani military got one of the pilots before the villagers got to him, otherwise the villagers probably would have like mob killed him, and that would be really bad.
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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2019, 09:25:37 am »

Inshallah Pakistan zaroor jeetega.

Trump, please deport. Thanks!
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2019, 10:28:41 am »

Pakistan is either a failed state or a rogue state, I don't know which.
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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2019, 02:19:28 pm »

Another thing we must keep in mind is that this is an election year in India. Don’t count on restraint from the Indian government.
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2019, 03:00:35 pm »

how and why countries and governments like india and pakistan have nuclear arsenal is beyond me...
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2019, 03:09:13 pm »

how and why countries and governments like india and pakistan have nuclear arsenal is beyond me...

What do you mean "how"?

And "why" should be pretty self-explanatory.
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2019, 03:11:22 pm »

Pakistan is either a failed state or a rogue state, I don't know which.
can't it be both?
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2019, 03:15:13 pm »

how and why countries and governments like india and pakistan have nuclear arsenal is beyond me...

India should have Nukes, Pakistan shouldnt
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2019, 04:01:38 pm »



This is absolutely correct.

By bombing Kashmir? Unlikely tbh
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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2019, 06:13:01 pm »



Amen. God I hate war. I don’t wish Indians to be harmed either.
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2019, 07:49:40 pm »

This crisis should NOT be downplayed.

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THE GUARDIAN: India calls for immediate return of pilot shot down by Pakistan over Kashmir

Delhi angered by ‘vulgar display’ of wing commander in bloodied uniform by Islamabad

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By Wednesday evening, India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, had yet to comment publicly on the fighting but was meeting military chiefs at his residence in Delhi.

Meanwhile, Pakistan’s prime minister, Imran Khan, appealed for talks, making reference to both countries’ nuclear arsenals.

Khan said in a televised address after the airstrikes that the time had come for a diplomatic solution to the crisis. “With the weapons you have and the weapons we have, can we afford miscalculation? Shouldn’t we think that if this escalates, what will it lead to?”

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THE GUARDIAN: Who will pull India and Pakistan back from the edge this time?

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It is doubtful that today either President Trump or his secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, has the same leverage in the region as their predecessors. The more unipolar world in which some recent American presidents operated has passed, replaced by a new era of Great Power competition between the US, Russia and China.

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Ultimately though, it may be the existence of nuclear weapons that pulls the two countries back, rather than outside intervention. With an army more than twice as large, backed by superior weaponry and with an economy 8.5 times the size of Pakistan’s, India can strike hard. But military analysts say this imbalance means Pakistan’s threshold for the use of nuclear weapons is relatively low; a direct attack by India could have incalculable consequences.

I am currently reading Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East by Michael B. Oren. I have to say, Pakistan's situation vis a vis India reminds me a lot of Israel's with Egypt and the Arab world c. 1967. Both are dwarfed by their enemies, both feel any war may well be a war for survival, and thus both are in a situation where enough pressure could provoke them to strike first to knock out their enemy. I fear Modhi, with election-year myopia and public opinion whipped to a fevered pitch (first by the suicide bombing, then by the capture of this pilot), might push Pakistan over the edge.
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2019, 08:31:20 pm »

It's interesting timing that while Trump and Kim Jung Un meet to discuss nuclear weapons, 2 other nuclear powers go to war.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2019, 09:33:58 pm »

Pakistan's motivations to have nuclear weapons are understandable. Each time they were at war with India they got beaten pretty badly and this can be seen as a valuable deterrent. The problem, of course, is that Pakistan is inherently internally unstable, and there were also instances of trading nuclear technology.

As of India, their nuclear program started primarily as a way to keep the Chinese in check. After all there was more than two-decade gap between India and Pakistan reaching a nuclear capability. And, due to India's ambitions to be recognized as a full great power, they'll cling to their nukes.
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