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afleitch
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« on: February 28, 2019, 11:46:42 AM »

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/feb/28/girl-11-gives-birth-to-rapists-child-after-argentina-refuses-abortion.

'Lucía told the psychologist at the hospital to which she was admitted after two suicide attempts: “I want you to remove what the old man put inside me.'

The Church of course was calm and measured in it's response;

'Tucumán’s archbishop, Carlos Sánchez, recorded a message on Wednesday revealing Lucía’s real name and calling on Christians to “defend all human life."

The current law is a stunning success;

'An average of one abortion is performed every 90 seconds in Argentina, with as many as 450,000 unsafe illegal abortions carried out every year, according to estimates.'

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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2019, 04:38:01 AM »

As was pointed out, the legal position is in many ways the default 'catholic' position when some pro-life people talk about where they would like America to be, realistically, at some point in the future. And it's clearly a sh-tshow. An 'out of sight out of mind' conclusion.

But what angers me is that when we talk about 'health', it's mental health too. We can't pretend it is of little to no consequence because that's pretty much contrary to our understanding of the interconnectedness of health.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2019, 06:06:16 PM »
« Edited: March 01, 2019, 06:26:41 PM by afleitch »

An 'out of sight out of mind' conclusion.

This is exactly what I've lost patience with about the politically-organized pro-life movement (this and the habit of lying and catastrophizing about pro-choicers' motivations). It's like this old Simpsons clip writ large.

I know this is a sensitive subject so I do want to tread carefully, but I can see why it's frustrating.

For me the pro-life movement is a 'pursuit' in want of a goal. However as long as women can fall pregnant and for pregnancy to have complications of any sort internal or external, it is not possible to be 'pro-life' to a definite, 'in all scenarios' conclusion. You can't stop rape, you can't make bodies physically 'ready' when they aren't developed. You can't change the nature of sex to nothing more than procreation to only when a child is required. You can't make people take on unwanted children. You could try, but in doing so and upending and patrolling human social-sexual interactions would be sinister.

You can only advocate for it at a personal one to one level and to be fair those who do (and it's been some time, so I don't know what your position is) tend to be disengaged from any mass pro-life movement, not necessarily just because it's politicised but because the movement doesn't have a workable goal. If the end goal is Argentina, where the above article happens and back street abortions still happen at comparable rates to legal abortions in most countries and perhaps even more so, or El Salvador where mothers are jailed and miscarriages are treated with suspicion, then we have as strange a dystopia (and one seemingly imbued with 'vengeance') as any 'pro-choice' free-for-all-fill-your-boots dystopia that a pro-lifer might think we reside in.

My own position has shifted a little in that I think it's only possible to entertain both positions at once, that the 'choice' is entrusted to the mother as to how she views what she carries and isn't determined by a nihilistic philosophical and scientific drive to define 'life' at a determinate start point for each and every one of us at the same point (in part because I hold the same position when it comes to end of life choices) so that a mother should be supported in her choice to consider what she holds 'life' from the earliest possible moment, even if she herself can not look after the child or not, and seek a termination if that is how she perceives it. Which I accept is clearly still 'pro-choice' but less rooted in HARD SCIENCE which I think both sides are too eager to invoke.
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